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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Guys...come on...while it may not have happened where you went to school, how can you just ignore the current or at the very least recent academic scandals (say...FSU, NC, Minnesota...Im sure there are others) as if they arent real everyday occurences? Im sure not every program has the problem. The service academies...Northwestern...I can think of several major colleges that stay competitive while focused on academia over sports. I still think it would be better for EVERYONE if they maintained high standards across the board.
    Exactly, and that's been my point all along. People want to try to hide from the fact that this behavior happens, but I've seen it happen. Dumbass QB who couldn't do algebra if you gave him a road map on how to do so, failing a course. All of a sudden there's all sorts of people making sure the grade is recorded to allow the QB to keep playing. While sports are a good thing, one is not special because they play them. You've made additional commitments which means additional work. There should be no exceptions made because of someone's extracurricular activities.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Keep in mind this is on a high school level...

    I take part on my school's Mock Trial team, Science Olympiad team, ROV Team, plus a crap load of other things where I'm in some leadershpi position, and have to be there all the time. On top of that, I'm taking the hardest classes my school still offers (I finished all our AP's last year, so I'm on independent study advanced classes). I have straight A's, and I'm going ready to win all my events in everything I'm taking part in.

    Still, I never forget why I'm going to school, not to take part in science olympiad, or mock trial or anything, I'm there to learn math, science, history and other classes. The problem with athletes is they forget that, and colleges forget that as well, which is the root of the problem.
    Most athletes DON'T forget that. You just see SOME don't do well in school and that gives the rest of us a bad name. Some of us wouldn't even be able to attend university were it not for athletic scholarships... not for academic reasons, but for financial ones...
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    In the Ivy's, the marginal person turned away for an athlete is a going to be one hell of an intellectual.
    Ivy Schools don't have athletic scholarships. Do they accept athletes that are not academically qualified?
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly, and that's been my point all along. People want to try to hide from the fact that this behavior happens, but I've seen it happen. Dumbass QB who couldn't do algebra if you gave him a road map on how to do so, failing a course. All of a sudden there's all sorts of people making sure the grade is recorded to allow the QB to keep playing. While sports are a good thing, one is not special because they play them. You've made additional commitments which means additional work. There should be no exceptions made because of someone's extracurricular activities.
    I never ONCE received any kind of exception due to my athletic involvement with the exception of being able to hand in an assignment due during a road trip upon immediate return from the road trip (as per school policy). Yes, there are some problems, but the VAST MAJORITY of student-athletes ARE students and can hold up well in the classroom. The average GPA of the members of both my soccer and track teams were ABOVE the GPA for the student body and many of us graduated with honors. Same with my then-girlfriend's gymnastics team.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Ivy Schools don't have athletic scholarships. Do they accept athletes that are not academically qualified?
    They do accept athletes not as academically qualified. And I know colleges like Harvard don't have academic scholarships either; its all need based. Furthermore, I know Harvard specifically sends out likely letters to athletes.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Most athletes DON'T forget that. You just see SOME don't do well in school and that gives the rest of us a bad name. Some of us wouldn't even be able to attend university were it not for athletic scholarships... not for academic reasons, but for financial ones...
    Its the other way around, I think. Most athletes forget, and some, like you, do/did not.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    I haven't read all the responses, so this may have been covered, but football and to a lesser extent basketball programs at major universities make HUGE amounts of money for the schools, and this money is created by the labor of athletes who are not paid directly for their services. The money that schools make on their football programs, alone, are often enough to finance the operation of their entire sports programs, and so the students who wish to perform in the less glamorous sports are afforded an opportunity they might not have without the income from the big sports.

    I can walk from my house to a University with one of the best football programs in the country, and not only does the program bring in scads of money, it helps employ people in the community. From the construction workers who build and maintain arenas and stadiums, to the vendors that sell things to the fans andthe advertising revenue created by promotions -- the economic benefit to the entire community here is tremendous, and all because of college athletes are working their butts off for no pay.

    I think offering them a scholorship is the least we can do, myself. If 50 or 100 out of a total enrollment of 15-50000 might not have been qualified otherwise, who cares? They give more than they take when it comes to their labor.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stanford does OK in both-its a far better school academically than UVA and has better sports though in all fairness, UVA turned me down for law school (out of state quotas were slim that year) and Stanford accepted me
    Also, Duke.

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    It is a benefit as sports programs add income to the University. There is a lot of money in some of the events. This is about money and not about intelligence. The University may well be able to offer other students scholarships for academics because of the money gained by the sports programs.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    They do accept athletes not as academically qualified. And I know colleges like Harvard don't have academic scholarships either; its all need based. Furthermore, I know Harvard specifically sends out likely letters to athletes.
    That's only half-true. All the ivies send likely letters to athletes. However, as stated before, athletes cannot be more than one SD from the mean AI. I know many recruited athletes that were ridic smart (one kid was recruited for wrestling with a 2390 SAT to my school. Did he not deserve it?). Each coach per sport gets ONE pick per year that they can "recruit" and be essentially guarenteed admission. However, they have to be academically qualified via the AI scale.


    I'd just like to note: I was asked at a BB bank at an interview for a summer analyst position just this past semester why I never participated on a team sport. I did club hockey, but didn't think it was relevant to finance, so I didn't put it on my resume. That question, honestly, was the most surprising I ever got at an interview.

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