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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I do, and I've seen first hand athletes fail at it and get bailed out by the coaches and administrators.
    I have also seen first hand how athletes DO manage it, far more do than don't. I have done it. I was a good student and played in four national NCAA tournaments and ran in three regional NCAA track meets... it CAN be done and IS done my the vast majority of athletes. Unless you have done it, you can't really understand how difficult it is to balance the two or the sacrifices that student-athletes make to work to be the best at their sport AND be successful in the classroom.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

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    That failed to address the point that athlete's are often given an easier time because of teacher preference.
    I don't know ANY athlete at my school who experienced that. Some teachers were TOUGHER on athletes due to the perceptions of people like Ikari.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    I want someone to establish that its really good students who get turned down at the big public universities in favor of some "dumb jock"

    private schools of course can do what they want

    but the whining has no merit-good students aren't losing seats to jocks

    its those who barely were contenders-and i some kid who is edged out at OSU has to go to the University of Cincinnati (which is a slighlty lower ranked college-so what) what difference does it matter-he aint going to be top drawer either place



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I don't know ANY athlete at my school who experienced that. Some teachers were TOUGHER on athletes due to the perceptions of people like Ikari.
    absolutely true-the dean of my "college" hated male jocks and was finally canned because she would give female students who wanted more time to study all sorts of extensions (a violation of the rules) but she wouldn't give a swimmer a day extension so he could attend the ivy league championships or nationals (which was a listed reason for an extension)



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, well we'll see if TO or Ochocinco makes it that far. There's nothing that says smart people can't play sports. There is something that says dumb people cannot excel in academics. And because of the circus that's become of our college sports, it's getting to the point where retards are ushered in, treated like kings, and get degrees they didn't earn because they couldn't do the work. But by virtue of being an "athlete" there were people to put pressure where it needed to be in order to get grades changed where they needed to be changed.

    Academic standings is the most important thing in academia. It's not sport-ia, it's academia.
    You do understand that most students go to university to prepare for a career in the real world, not stay in an ivory tower. Many employers want MORE than someone who has book skills, but also someone who has other abilities, including skills in working together and leadership, which participation in athletics provide.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    absolutely true-the dean of my "college" hated male jocks and was finally canned because she would give female students who wanted more time to study all sorts of extensions (a violation of the rules) but she wouldn't give a swimmer a day extension so he could attend the ivy league championships or nationals (which was a listed reason for an extension)
    I also experienced a couple of problems like that from a prof when my team had to travel to California for an NCAA soccer match. I actually had to work on the assignment on the plane and my coach faxed it to the prof from the hotel. That was against department policy and he was later reprimanded for it.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have also seen first hand how athletes DO manage it, far more do than don't. I have done it. I was a good student and played in four national NCAA tournaments and ran in three regional NCAA track meets... it CAN be done and IS done my the vast majority of athletes. Unless you have done it, you can't really understand how difficult it is to balance the two or the sacrifices that student-athletes make to work to be the best at their sport AND be successful in the classroom.
    Keep in mind this is on a high school level...

    I take part on my school's Mock Trial team, Science Olympiad team, ROV Team, plus a crap load of other things where I'm in some leadershpi position, and have to be there all the time. On top of that, I'm taking the hardest classes my school still offers (I finished all our AP's last year, so I'm on independent study advanced classes). I have straight A's, and I'm going ready to win all my events in everything I'm taking part in.

    Still, I never forget why I'm going to school, not to take part in science olympiad, or mock trial or anything, I'm there to learn math, science, history and other classes. The problem with athletes is they forget that, and colleges forget that as well, which is the root of the problem.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I want someone to establish that its really good students who get turned down at the big public universities in favor of some "dumb jock"

    private schools of course can do what they want

    but the whining has no merit-good students aren't losing seats to jocks

    its those who barely were contenders-and i some kid who is edged out at OSU has to go to the University of Cincinnati (which is a slighlty lower ranked college-so what) what difference does it matter-he aint going to be top drawer either place
    In the Ivy's, the marginal person turned away for an athlete is a going to be one hell of an intellectual.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Guys...come on...while it may not have happened where you went to school, how can you just ignore the current or at the very least recent academic scandals (say...FSU, NC, Minnesota...Im sure there are others) as if they arent real everyday occurences? Im sure not every program has the problem. The service academies...Northwestern...I can think of several major colleges that stay competitive while focused on academia over sports. I still think it would be better for EVERYONE if they maintained high standards across the board.

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You do understand that most students go to university to prepare for a career in the real world, not stay in an ivory tower. Many employers want MORE than someone who has book skills, but also someone who has other abilities, including skills in working together and leadership, which participation in athletics provide.
    You don't get that just from sports. You pretend like none of that can be found through the normal course of academia. Or that sports is required in some way to provide it. Sports can be a good outlet and have benefits to the student. They don't have large benefits to the academic side of university apart from advertising if you have a really good program and some money. But most of the money stays within the athletics department. And while there are quite a few very good student athletes, there does exist in part because of the commercialization of certain sports, a significant number of student athletes who are not qualified to stay in school and are given privileges outside that of the normal student conduct. You may pretend that hard work and dedication to academia puts someone in an "ivory tower", but you are talking about academia now so regardless of your smarmy attitude towards it; it remains relevant for this argument. As it stands, because of the way particularly football and basketball are now handled on the national stage, there does happen to be a lot of cheating for certain athletes and they end up with degrees they did not earn.

    Of course one could take the argument of "oh well, they got something they didn't earn and that's fine"; but academia is about academics primarily, not sports. There is no reason that we should start cheating in academia in order to allow others to play sports. Sports, while a good thing, are not the primary reason for being in University.
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