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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That failed to address the point that athlete's are often given an easier time because of teacher preference.
    can you prove that? blind grading is the norm at most universities



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well if the jocks cannot make grades they lose eligibility

    problem solved.

    but its fun watching an academic whine about athletes. I suspect athletes often do far better in the real world then academics. athletes have learned how to compete and deal with people far better in many cases
    If you don't think there is extreme competition in academics, then you're a fool. You think athletes do better? Let's see one become Secretary of Energy (that's Dr. Steven Chu, in case you do not know, Nobel Prize winning physicist.). And that isn't problem solved. The problem isn't that these guys will fail out; the problem particularly in basketball and football is that those people DO NOT fail out.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is stupid-maybe you can prove that it did happen. or happened at a level significant to this argument
    I have plenty of anecdotal evidence, which you can either choose to believe or not believe. More basketball players than I could name at my school were literally babied through the entire application process, which is easier than taking candy from a baby. They got into colleges. I assure you, they did not deserve those spots in college, they were borderline retarded. This was mainly in the UC's and CSU's.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you prove that? blind grading is the norm at most universities
    You've got to be kidding me. Now that was BS. It happens all the time, mostly isolated to football and basketball.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused-some had lower gpa's then many people rejected for admission the admissions office was seeking excellence and a guy like Joel Benjamin or Evan Michaelides or Mike Rohde are excellent chess players. I suppose one of the arguments was a guy who was a 2500 level chess player spent so many hours studying chess it migh have impacted his GPA and despite that the intellectual rigor was there (and all of them did very well in college). the same as an all american HS swimmer with a 3.8 vs a nerd who did nthing but study and had a 3.9
    That swimmer ain't gonna swim his way to new technology, the scientist or engineer who studied their ass off to perform academically will (well they won't swim, but they'll research and study and discover new things). The medical doctor who dedicates his life to researching disease will do something real. Sports gets you the court jester, the people to dance and sing and make us laugh. But sports has little impact on our society past entertainment.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you don't think there is extreme competition in academics, then you're a fool. You think athletes do better? Let's see one become Secretary of Energy (that's Dr. Steven Chu, in case you do not know, Nobel Prize winning physicist.). And that isn't problem solved. The problem isn't that these guys will fail out; the problem particularly in basketball and football is that those people DO NOT fail out.
    I suspect I was at a far more competitive academic environment than you were
    Lets see

    Jimmy carter-President-varsity runner
    GHWB-President-varsity baseball captain
    Jerry Ford-star football player-graduated top of his class at Yale Law
    Byron "whizzer White-Rhodes scholar, NFL star supreme court justice

    the business world is full of guys recruited to play sports
    same with acting-the leading actor on the most popular show on TV was a quarterback at a big californianD-I school



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That swimmer ain't gonna swim his way to new technology, the scientist or engineer who studied their ass off to perform academically will (well they won't swim, but they'll research and study and discover new things). The medical doctor who dedicates his life to researching disease will do something real. Sports gets you the court jester, the people to dance and sing and make us laugh. But sports has little impact on our society past entertainment.
    nor will the average student from universities who recruit athletes. the average Ohio State or UCLA or U of F students isn't going to do that either and its not the TOP students who get booted in favor of a jock but the marginal ones



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You've got to be kidding me. Now that was BS. It happens all the time, mostly isolated to football and basketball.
    who gets turned down by OSU or U of Michigan or U of CLA or U of texas in favor of a football jock
    not the guy with a 1550 SAT and a 4.3-
    rather the people who are just on the edge of acceptance

    OSU might have 12,000 kids in its freshman class and might have say 300 athletes. those displaced would have been in the bottom of 12,000. you are making a mountain out of a molehill

    the kids going to Ohio State in the HONORS program or the scholar program aren't the ones being rejected in favor of the kid who was declared MR FOOTBALL in Ohio



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I suspect I was at a far more competitive academic environment than you were
    Lets see

    Jimmy carter-President-varsity runner
    GHWB-President-varsity baseball captain
    Jerry Ford-star football player-graduated top of his class at Yale Law
    Byron "whizzer White-Rhodes scholar, NFL star supreme court justice

    the business world is full of guys recruited to play sports
    same with acting-the leading actor on the most popular show on TV was a quarterback at a big californianD-I school
    Yeah, well we'll see if TO or Ochocinco makes it that far. There's nothing that says smart people can't play sports. There is something that says dumb people cannot excel in academics. And because of the circus that's become of our college sports, it's getting to the point where retards are ushered in, treated like kings, and get degrees they didn't earn because they couldn't do the work. But by virtue of being an "athlete" there were people to put pressure where it needed to be in order to get grades changed where they needed to be changed.

    Academic standings is the most important thing in academia. It's not sport-ia, it's academia.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, well we'll see if TO or Ochocinco makes it that far. There's nothing that says smart people can't play sports. There is something that says dumb people cannot excel in academics. And because of the circus that's become of our college sports, it's getting to the point where retards are ushered in, treated like kings, and get degrees they didn't earn because they couldn't do the work. But by virtue of being an "athlete" there were people to put pressure where it needed to be in order to get grades changed where they needed to be changed.

    Academic standings is the most important thing in academia. It's not sport-ia, it's academia.
    and the academic standards of the kids who are on the bubble of ANY of the big sport schools are rather low
    again its not the future phi beta kappas who get booted in favor of the boy who has a 100 MPH fastball or runs the 100 in 9.9



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