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    Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    Do you support the Sheriffs first bill? In other words should federal law enforcement first get the permission of the highest county elected law enforcement official(Sheriff) before making an arrest,search or seizure?

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    This "Sheriffs First" bill would make it a state crime for a federal officer to arrest, search, or seize in the state (Montana in this example) without first getting the advanced, written permission of the elected county sheriff of the county in which the event is to take place. Locally-elected sheriffs are accountable to the people and are supposed to the the chief law enforcement officer of the county, bar none. This bill puts teeth into the expectation that federal agents must operate with the approval of the sheriff, or not at all. It also gives the local sheriff tools necessary to protect the people of his county, and their constitutional rights. There are exceptions in the legislation for "hot pursuit", U.S. customs and border patrol, corrupt sheriffs, and more.





    In Montana, a plan to empower local sheriffs - CharlotteObserver.com

    HELENA, Mont. The line of people stretched out the door of the committee room, all waiting for their turn to condemn or express their fears about the federal government.

    Most identified themselves as ordinary Montana citizens or tea party supporters united by the belief that the government is chipping away at their rights and abusing the constitutions of the state and the nation.

    They'd arrived for a public hearing on the so-called "Sheriffs First Act," a Montana senator's proposal to make sheriffs the supreme authorities in their counties. Federal agents would be required to obtain written permission from a sheriff before conducting a search, seizure or arrest in a county.

    "I've come to the point where I don't trust the federal government to protect us," Helena resident Lisa Wamsley told the panel Friday. "I urge you to support this bill to regain what is rightfully ours as citizens of Montana."

    Whether the worries of Wamsley or others at the hearing would be quelled even if the bill is approved is murky territory. It would still need to survive likely intense legal scrutiny over whether it violates the U.S. Constitution.

    Jessica Fehr, spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney in Montana, declined to comment on whether such a bill is enforceable or how it might affect federal operations in Montana. But, prompted by a lawmaker's question, Gallatin County attorney Marty Lambert suggested there are questions over whether the bill violates the supremacy clause, which says the Constitution and federal law is "the supreme law of the land."

    Read more: In Montana, a plan to empower local sheriffs - CharlotteObserver.com
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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    It certain would be a boost for the 10th Amendment which has more or less been shredded.
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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    No. You can't restore state sovereignty piecemeal; it is neither constitutional nor practical to do so. First, you need a plan on how to effect the reform over a long period of time, to prevent economic collapse, and then you need to pass it via constitutional amendment, so that it will be legally and morally legitimate.
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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    This was the sentence I found the most curious.

    "I've come to the point where I don't trust the federal government to protect us," Helena resident Lisa Wamsley told the panel Friday. "I urge you to support this bill to regain what is rightfully ours as citizens of Montana."
    whaaa? Don't trust the federal gov't to protect you? What does she expect, did she previously think that the FBI and US Marshals should be patrolling the street near her house? It's always been local law enforcement that protects people. Federal law enforcement is only there when it's their jurisdiction. It's not federal law enforcement's job to keep the peace in localities to begin with. I'm confused as to her thought process here.

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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    Fifty years ago, local police were known to be corrupt, to ignore hate crimes in the southern states, IMO, no state is free from this corruption , I do not trust them..
    Today, has this changed ?
    Its logical, common sense that police work together, if not, then those who refuse should be weeded out..
    If this bill is supported by tea baggers, then it is suspect...
    These is more to this than is being divulged, I suspect.

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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    If this bill is supported by tea baggers partiers , then it is suspect...
    These is more to this than is being divulged, I suspect.
    If a bill is good then who gives a **** who wrote it. I would support this bill even if Jane Fonda wrote it.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-24-11 at 11:54 PM.
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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If a bill is good then who gives a **** who wrote it. I would support this bill even if Jane Fonda wrote it.
    Why? It burdens the administration of justice.
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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    I dislike the DEA messing around with local law enforcement as much as the next guy, but passing an absurd unconstitutional bill is not the way to handle the problem. The better option is go to Washington and put limits on when the Feds can claim jurisdiction.

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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    I guess the murderers in the infamous Mississippi Burning case would have not been charged for any crimes under this supposed legislation. Sheriffs, as well as other law enforcement individuals can, at times, be the most crooked people in society. The KKK operates law enforcement south of here, in the Hill Country. Want to give them free reign?
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    Re: Do you support the Sheriffs first bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I guess the murderers in the infamous Mississippi Burning case would have not been charged for any crimes under this supposed legislation. Sheriffs, as well as other law enforcement individuals can, at times, be the most crooked people in society. The KKK operates law enforcement south of here, in the Hill Country. Want to give them free reign?
    What makes the feds any more trustworthy and less corrupt?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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