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Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

Is Voting a Right or Privilege?

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TurtleDude said:
most retirees are still paying taxes on their 401Ks or investments

but I tire of those who have no skin in the game demanding others put more in
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That's not how communities work.
 
Catawba said:
I didn't know they had mandatory voting in Australia, why is it a pain the butt there?
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Because last election, my car wouldn't start, and it was pouring rain, I got drenched walking to the polling place. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, it doesn't serve much of a purpose, unless you remove the secret ballot, people just have to show up, they don't have to vote, and even if they don't show up, the penalty is a $50 fine, it's a fairly redundant system.
 
TurtleDude said:
most retirees are still paying taxes on their 401Ks or investments

but I tire of those who have no skin in the game demanding others put more in
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And most people pay tax on fuel and stuff like that, the only people who pay no tax what so ever are homeless.
 
spud_meister said:
Because last election, my car wouldn't start, and it was pouring rain, I got drenched walking to the polling place. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, it doesn't serve much of a purpose, unless you remove the secret ballot, people just have to show up, they don't have to vote, and even if they don't show up, the penalty is a $50 fine, it's a fairly redundant system.
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Secret ballot? We don't have a secret ballot. I think it is one's civic duty to actually vote, not just visit the polling place.
 
spud_meister said:
And most people pay tax on fuel and stuff like that, the only people who pay no tax what so ever are homeless.
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most of that is state taxes
fuel taxes are use taxes-which I support
 
Morality Games said:
I already said. People can contribute to society in ways other than taxes. Centering the vote around taxation doesn't make sense.
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it does when those who don't pay taxes constantly vote for higher taxes on those who do

if you faced paying more every time taxes were raised you would be less likely to vote for tax hikers
 
Catawba said:
Secret ballot? We don't have a secret ballot. I think it is one's civic duty to actually vote, not just visit the polling place.
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A secret ballot is when your name isn't on the ballot paper, you do have a secret ballot, and unless you remove that, and show who voted, and for what party, then any mandatory voting system doesn't ensure 100% of people vote. And removing the secret ballot opens it up to all types of abuse.
 
TurtleDude said:
high tax payers should face Less Punishment as a benefit for being taxed more-not punished more after having more wealth taken
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Not if they get more say when they pay more taxes. The result of their getting more say about taxes and spending inherently causes them to have more say about all laws. It is only right, under those circumstances, that they be more answerable to those laws, not the reverse.
 
Dezaad said:
Not if they get more say when they pay more taxes. The result of their getting more say about taxes and spending inherently causes them to have more say about all laws. It is only right, under those circumstances, that they be more answerable to those laws, not the reverse.
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opinion noted, not shared.
 
spud_meister said:
A secret ballot is when your name isn't on the ballot paper, you do have a secret ballot, and unless you remove that, and show who voted, and for what party, then any mandatory voting system doesn't ensure 100% of people vote. And removing the secret ballot opens it up to all types of abuse.
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Thanks for your explanations. How would putting your name on a ballot create abuse?
 
TurtleDude said:
we didn't have communities before we had the 16th amendment?
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Voting wasn't ordered around taxation before the 16th Amendment.

The decision to increase taxes on the wealthy related to economic changes; globalization, the growth of interstate commerce, and corporatism. In this new economic system, mass wealth accumulation depended on the assistance of the state, meaning participants were less entitled to their earnings.

That remains true today.
 
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Personally I don't think birthright citizenship is a good idea. I think citizenship itself is a privilege that should be earned, and voting rights would go along with it.
 
Catawba said:
Thanks for your explanations. How would putting your name on a ballot create abuse?
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Well people would know who you voted for, and, if that information got into the hands of some unscrupulous individuals, they may try and convince you to vote for someone else next time. It was for reasons like that that the secret ballot was introduced.
 
TurtleDude said:
opinion noted, not shared.
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It is a fact that it is a logical consequence from your own rationale. You may have your mental dissonance at your pleasure, but it is what it is.
 
Morality Games said:
Voting wasn't ordered around taxation before the 16th Amendment.

The decision to increase taxes on the wealthy related to economic changes; globalization, the growth of interstate commerce, and corporatism. In this new economic system, mass wealth accumulation depended on the assistance of the state, meaning participants were less entitled to their earnings.

That remains true today.
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true to some extent-the users couldn't vote up the taxes of the producers. society was fine without this pitting the looters against the producers

there is not need for a progressive income tax other than to buy the votes of many with the promises of the wealth of others
 
Dezaad said:
It is a fact that it is a logical consequence from your own rationale. You may have your mental dissonance at your pleasure, but it is what it is.
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your claims have no merit

those who are more useful to society have a strong argument for better treatment
 
spud_meister said:
Well people would know who you voted for, and, if that information got into the hands of some unscrupulous individuals, they may try and convince you to vote for someone else next time. It was for reasons like that that the secret ballot was introduced.
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They do that today based on exit polling results.
 
Its a right and a privilege with responsibilities.
A man can lose this right if he does not use responsibity..
Liberals, independents, get off and get out... vote, participate...follow the tea baggers example ...vote.
 
TurtleDude said:
net tax consumers hate the idea-they love representation without taxation Those of us who pay the majority of the two big federal taxes-income and death taxes-tire of those who pay nothing but get the same general benefits and many more direct entitlements often support the idea

of course if we had a tax system that treated each person equally (a flat tax)I would support equal voting rights

but I bet you support UNEQUAL treatment in terms of how much of my next dollar i get to keep vs yours
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LMAO nice spin and dramatics

again its STILL the worst idea EVER and there is NO unequal treatment of you in reality when it comes to VOTING LMAO thats pure fantasy.

My opinion on your taxes are irrelevant in this thread about voting and I have many different opinions on the subject because reality is gray. Id be 100% for a flat tax or any other taxes that work but the fact is THIS thread is about voting and to keep on topic and not let you derail, a person paying higher taxes making their vote count more IMO is one of the dumbest, most illogical, bias, hypocritical things I have every heard.

Sorry just they way I view it.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Personally I don't think birthright citizenship is a good idea. I think citizenship itself is a privilege that should be earned, and voting rights would go along with it.
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I agree completely. People take everything for granted.
 
jamesrage said:
It should be a right. Making it a privilege leaves open the possibility that the government can eventually take away that privilege.
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Your level of paranoia is ridiculous, and unfounded. I know you'll have a lot to say to the contrary, but its unfounded.
 
Catawba said:
I think it should be a duty, everyone should be required to vote.
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A while back I put this up as a debate - "should voting be mandatory?"
I believe that it should, along with reform in campaign finance and advertising.
There should also be a "none of the above".
 
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