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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    socialist drivel-winners win, losers lose under most forms of government. Those in the middle really don't have the power you think they do.
    The middle class and the poor do have power when we remember to exercise it properly. Sometimes we get reminded to do so, by the unfolding of events. The middle class wins just fine under mixed economies. We win best when we remember our power and exercise it. And, when we remember the proper role of the wealthy.

    The wealthy exist so that the middle class can prosper. They often don't think that's the reason we let them acquire, but that is the only reason we would do so, after all.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    If voting were a privilege, then only the privileged could vote. Voting is a right... and in my opinion, the duty of every citizen. (That doesn't mean that I favor mandatory voting ala Australia. I don't. I just don't understand those who are apathetic about casting their votes, when there are billions of people on this planet that would give everything for the opportunity to do just that.)
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    If voting were a privilege, then only the privileged could vote. Voting is a right... and in my opinion, the duty of every citizen. (That doesn't mean that I favor mandatory voting ala Australia. I don't. I just don't understand those who are apathetic about casting their votes, when there are billions of people on this planet that would give everything for the opportunity to do just that.)
    I would only elaborate upon this to say that every citizen in good standing absolutely does have the right to exercise their self sovereignty by participation in the making of the law through voting. The only reason to rescind the right is when people do not respect the laws so made, in an egregious enough manner.

    That said it is a responsibility to do so intelligently.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Citizens of age and in good standing have no obligation to submit to laws they have an egregiously unequal say in creating or changing. So, while I suppose it could be considered less than a right, the point is moot. We can't expect an orderly society without a just franchise. We might have an orderly society, for a time, but we have no justification to expect it.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I would only elaborate upon this to say that every citizen in good standing absolutely does have the right to exercise their self sovereignty by participation in the making of the law through voting. The only reason to rescind the right is when people do not respect the laws so made, in an egregious enough manner.

    That said it is a responsibility to do so intelligently.
    I do agree that rights can be rescinded when one's behavior violates societies laws in an egregious enough manner. In other words, convicted felons in prison have forfeited many rights, including the right to vote.

    Yes, I would prefer voters exercise their right to vote intelligently. However, we cannot insist upon this, because then we would have to test the intelligence of potential voters and as we can see by the extremist views from both sides on this forum, it's a test many would fail!

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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    If voting were a privilege, then only the privileged could vote. Voting is a right... and in my opinion, the duty of every citizen. (That doesn't mean that I favor mandatory voting ala Australia. I don't. I just don't understand those who are apathetic about casting their votes, when there are billions of people on this planet that would give everything for the opportunity to do just that.)
    Well, in California, where there are literally about a hundred different politicians/bureaucrats/officials/board members/district members/etc.to vote for, I'd place a million dollar bet that no single voter (regardless of their interest in politics) has actually taken the time to read about and/or meet and/or follow the numerous people up for election. We've created such a massive bureaucracy in this state, I would imagine 90% of the voters vote strictly on the president, the district reps, the senators, the governor, and maybe some of the state reps and senators. About 5% vote on the candidates running for the various other bureaucratic offices, and I doubt any one of those voters knows a single thing about the candidate. They simply look at the previous occupation listed and vote strictly for the occupation or the party, not the individual.

    It's kind of devaluing the whole voting system if the vast majority have no clue who they're voting for.

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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    If you don't pay taxes, you don't get to vote. That simple.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you don't pay taxes, you don't get to vote. That simple.
    Oh good - everyone in the world who's ever bought anything in the US, from the US or through US connections can vote in our elections!

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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you don't pay taxes, you don't get to vote. That simple.
    So that includes all Americans - even lots of children. Great idea.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So that includes all Americans - even lots of children. Great idea.
    Gee whiz! Can children even vote?

    To avoid the risk of getting infracted, I'm going to leave it at that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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