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Thread: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Because last election, my car wouldn't start, and it was pouring rain, I got drenched walking to the polling place.

    Seriously though, it doesn't serve much of a purpose, unless you remove the secret ballot, people just have to show up, they don't have to vote, and even if they don't show up, the penalty is a $50 fine, it's a fairly redundant system.
    Secret ballot? We don't have a secret ballot. I think it is one's civic duty to actually vote, not just visit the polling place.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's not how communities work.
    we didn't have communities before we had the 16th amendment?



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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    And most people pay tax on fuel and stuff like that, the only people who pay no tax what so ever are homeless.
    most of that is state taxes
    fuel taxes are use taxes-which I support



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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I already said. People can contribute to society in ways other than taxes. Centering the vote around taxation doesn't make sense.
    it does when those who don't pay taxes constantly vote for higher taxes on those who do

    if you faced paying more every time taxes were raised you would be less likely to vote for tax hikers



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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Secret ballot? We don't have a secret ballot. I think it is one's civic duty to actually vote, not just visit the polling place.
    A secret ballot is when your name isn't on the ballot paper, you do have a secret ballot, and unless you remove that, and show who voted, and for what party, then any mandatory voting system doesn't ensure 100% of people vote. And removing the secret ballot opens it up to all types of abuse.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    high tax payers should face Less Punishment as a benefit for being taxed more-not punished more after having more wealth taken
    Not if they get more say when they pay more taxes. The result of their getting more say about taxes and spending inherently causes them to have more say about all laws. It is only right, under those circumstances, that they be more answerable to those laws, not the reverse.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Not if they get more say when they pay more taxes. The result of their getting more say about taxes and spending inherently causes them to have more say about all laws. It is only right, under those circumstances, that they be more answerable to those laws, not the reverse.
    opinion noted, not shared.



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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    A secret ballot is when your name isn't on the ballot paper, you do have a secret ballot, and unless you remove that, and show who voted, and for what party, then any mandatory voting system doesn't ensure 100% of people vote. And removing the secret ballot opens it up to all types of abuse.
    Thanks for your explanations. How would putting your name on a ballot create abuse?
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we didn't have communities before we had the 16th amendment?
    Voting wasn't ordered around taxation before the 16th Amendment.

    The decision to increase taxes on the wealthy related to economic changes; globalization, the growth of interstate commerce, and corporatism. In this new economic system, mass wealth accumulation depended on the assistance of the state, meaning participants were less entitled to their earnings.

    That remains true today.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Personally I don't think birthright citizenship is a good idea. I think citizenship itself is a privilege that should be earned, and voting rights would go along with it.

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