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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you support the welfare class being a voting block that can vote themselves more welfare money?
    this board is full of such people. most of them are not welfare teat sucklers but those people vote into office the welfare-socialists that these posters like be it due to gay rights, union power environmental extremism or hatred of the rich



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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If I pay more in income taxes, should I get more votes than you?
    that would be one way of keeping the masses from voting away the wealth of those who pay most of the taxes



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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you support the welfare class being a voting block that can vote themselves more welfare money?
    I've been on welfare. No, I didn't see a problem with me voting while I was on welfare.

    All these years later I still don't see a problem there like you're seeing it. I SEE problems with the voting-populous but "the fact that they're on welfare" isn't IT. Bar all welfare recipients from voting and you still HAVE the same overall problem with the voting populous. . . there are serious issues in our country and if you cleave to the notion that "it's all because of welfare" you're just fooling yourself.

    (I know we've discussed this before)

    I don't think *how much money* one earns means a damn thing as far as that goes. It's values that matter more. What I DO prefer is that people vote fairly - based on the issues - not on race, not on wealth and perceived 'power' and so forth.

    You wouldn't be so bitter over this is the "scummy welfare people" were on YOUR side.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If I pay more in income taxes, should I get more votes than you?
    Of course a Libbo would ask that question. Cuz with Libobs, it's all about something for nothing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've been on welfare. No, I didn't see a problem with me voting while I was on welfare.

    All these years later I still don't see a problem there like you're seeing it. I SEE problems with the voting-populous but "the fact that they're on welfare" isn't IT. Bar all welfare recipients from voting and you still HAVE the same overall problem with the voting populous. . . there are serious issues in our country and if you cleave to the notion that "it's all because of welfare" you're just fooling yourself.

    (I know we've discussed this before)

    I don't think *how much money* one earns means a damn thing as far as that goes. It's values that matter more. What I DO prefer is that people vote fairly - based on the issues - not on race, not on wealth and perceived 'power' and so forth.
    Sorry, I just don't think that people who are second and third generation welfare collectors and have never spent a day off welfare should comprise an entire voting block.

    Don't like it? Wanna vote? Get off welfare. It's that simple.

    You wouldn't be so bitter over this is the "scummy welfare people" were on YOUR side.
    You don't have to worry about that. I'll never be a member of the, "poor man's party"; a party that is only motivated to create more poor people, because to do otherwise would cost them votes.
    Last edited by apdst; 01-27-11 at 12:11 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sorry, I just don't think that people who are second and third generation welfare collectors and have never spent a day off welfare should comprise an entire voting block.

    Don't like it? Wanna vote? Get off welfare. It's that simple.



    You don't have to worry about that. I'll never be a member of the, "poor man's party"; a party that is only motivated to create more poor people, because to do otherwise would cost them votes.
    It's around, what, 10% of the US population receive whole or partial support? If that's 'an entire voting block' then we're far more ****ed than I thought.

    A lot of people on various forms of welfare do work - they just don't earn enough money from their employment to cover all the costly expenses of living. YES there is a portion which are generationally-dependent and have no desire to get off of assistance - but yet they still don't make the majority of that 10%.

    The most beneficial thing would be to have someone who can actually form and put forward actually legislation, programs and support systems that will CHANGE things - Obama's not that guy, McCain isn't - quite a few aren't.

    WE have a lot of problems and *just wanting* them to go away won't actually *make* the problems go away. . .and all other measures done by our government are ineffective bits of bull****.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course a Libbo would ask that question. Cuz with Libobs, it's all about something for nothing.
    Did you not understand what I asked? TurtleDude did. Did you?
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that would be one way of keeping the masses from voting away the wealth of those who pay most of the taxes
    How many votes would somebody like Bill Gates get in comparison to people like you and I? Let's play with round figures. Let's say $250,000 in income tax = 1 vote. Say I pay $4,000,000 in income tax. Am I entitled to 16 votes? What about somebody who pays $40,000,000 in income tax? Are they entitled to 160 votes? Obviously this is an example but the point is that the system could simply become subject to the monopoly of the super wealthy. It would also make the middle class as irrelevant in terms economic decision making as it is now. I fail to see the logic in making income tax a determinant in how many votes a person will get if the system will be easily skewed if a candidate manages to convince the right income tax payers.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How many votes would somebody like Bill Gates get in comparison to people like you and I? Let's play with round figures. Let's say $250,000 in income tax = 1 vote. Say I pay $4,000,000 in income tax. Am I entitled to 16 votes? What about somebody who pays $40,000,000 in income tax? Are they entitled to 160 votes? Obviously this is an example but the point is that the system could simply become subject to the monopoly of the super wealthy eventually making the middle class as irrelevant in economic decision making as it is now.
    Exactly.
    You don't even have to *vote* to exert influence in the political arena if you have what it takes to gain their attention and favor - you can lobby and simply donate to tip things your way if you want.

    It's about knowledge and values - and how you use it to influence and exert power.

    It's not about your financial standing.
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    Re: Should Voting be a Right or a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gee whiz! Can children even vote?

    To avoid the risk of getting infracted, I'm going to leave it at that.
    Right now - no, they cannot. But under your new proposed standard

    If you don't pay taxes, you don't get to vote. That simple.
    Anyone who pays a tax can then vote. That would include a child who buys something on which there is a tax.
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