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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Apart from refraining from employing drastic measures whose consequences are irreparable if it later transpires we've made a mistake.
    I don't think the DP is drastic at all, nor can we fix things in any case if we make a mistake, death penalty, imprisonment, fine, etc. So it's really irrelevant.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't think the DP is drastic at all, nor can we fix things in any case if we make a mistake, death penalty, imprisonment, fine, etc. So it's really irrelevant.
    I think this position is fairly tortuous sophistry. Drastic = strong, harsh, extravagant. I'll stick with that definition. Clearly one can make amends to someone who has been wrongly imprisoned, perhaps not perfectly, but to some extent. There's nothing you can do for someone you have slaughtered.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And it should stay that way forever, right ??
    You think you can change it? Go right ahead.

    Murder's unfair, too. The death penalty reduces murder. Even with the occasional mistake, it is better to have the death penalty than to not have the death penalty.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You think you can change it? Go right ahead.

    Murder's unfair, too. The death penalty reduces murder. Even with the occasional mistake, it is better to have the death penalty than to not have the death penalty.
    There is no evidence that the DP reduces murder. The USA has high levels of murder and the DP. It is universally accepted that getting caught is a deterrent, not the punishment. If you look to China where various persons have been executed fir corruption, this has had little effect in transforming China into a nation of transparent government and ethical business practice.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    there is no evidence that the DP as it is currently practiced reduces murder. you go on trial, retrial, spend years appealing, spend years on death row (maybe) at the end of which perhaps you do or do not actually get executed..... the crime isn't fully tied in the mind to the punishment.

    NOW, if we had an automatic appeal system; where the first time you went on trial and they proved you guilty, and the second time you went on trial and they approved killing you, and you went straight from the second trial to the chopping block (which should be public; preferably in your old neighborhood).

    THAT would effectively reduce murder rates.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    there is no evidence that the DP as it is currently practiced reduces murder. you go on trial, retrial, spend years appealing, spend years on death row (maybe) at the end of which perhaps you do or do not actually get executed..... the crime isn't fully tied in the mind to the punishment.

    NOW, if we had an automatic appeal system; where the first time you went on trial and they proved you guilty, and the second time you went on trial and they approved killing you, and you went straight from the second trial to the chopping block (which should be public; preferably in your old neighborhood).

    THAT would effectively reduce murder rates.
    I don't think even that would be a deterrent. Why? Because people who commit crimes, think they will never be caught. If they thought they'd be caught.. then they may or may not commit the crime.

    I've never believed that the death penalty was a deterrent - but I DO see it as a fitting punishment for certain heinous crimes. To hell with deterrent... if a murderer is released from prison, we have a chance that he will be rearrested. It may be for a petty crime - it may be for murder. The likelihood that a murderer will reenter the penal system is extremely high and given the nature of the crime that landed them in prison to begin with, most likely that crime committed to gain reentry will be violent in nature. No thank you.

    Some people deserve to die when they commit horrible, heinous crimes.

    People can say what they want... a man tortures and murders a toddler? He deserves to die. A woman bludgeons an elderly lady to death for her purse? She deserves to die. A college student open fires on a library full of people and kills 14 of them - they also, deserve to die.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    IMHO, revenge =/= justice. You can't bring a murder victim back from the dead so justice is impossible in the case of murder.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    IMHO, revenge =/= justice. You can't bring a murder victim back from the dead so justice is impossible in the case of murder.
    Of course you can't bring a murder victim back from the dead - but what is appropriate punishment for a person who chooses to take another's life. Something is seriously flawed in our court system when we have murderers, rapists and child molesters serving shorter sentences than drug addicts or petty thieves.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Of course you can't bring a murder victim back from the dead - but what is appropriate punishment for a person who chooses to take another's life. Something is seriously flawed in our court system when we have murderers, rapists and child molesters serving shorter sentences than drug addicts or petty thieves.
    I totally agree with this part of your post, our justice system does need a revamp IMO, drug offender should be sentenced to rehab, not prison, and for nonviolent offenders I think prison should be a mandatory education program that gives prisoners useful marketable skills so when they get out they can get a job, and get out of their life of crime, and make themselves into productive citizens. When someone gets out of prison today, usually they are just a better criminal.

    Now as for the death penalty I am against it, because just like you can't bring back a murder victim, you can't bring back an executed man who is innocent. But you can always release an innocent man. I am not against the death penalty because I don't want to execute scumbags, I am against it because our justice system isn't perfect, it will never be, and that I don't want to take the risk of murdering an innocent man, because we think he committed a horrible act.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Some people need killing.
    Indeed, but is state sanctioned killing really a good idea?
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