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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown
    I don't understand how anyone can be so cavelier about life and death. If we are going to insist on using the death penalty, then we damn well owe to ourselves and those on trial to be as sure as possible that 1) the trial was fair and legal and 2) we're executing the right person.
    And certainly we should do our best and if we make mistakes, learn from them. But let's be realistic here. We're human. We do make mistakes. We're not perfect. This is true of everything we do. We can't let the chance that we're going to make a mistake cause us to shiver in our boots every time we go out to do something. Yes, it's a bad thing if we execute an innocent. It's a bad thing if we put an innocent in prison. That's life though. We are never going to be perfect and if that's the only standard we're willing to accept, we're just wasting our time. It won't happen.

    So let's do our best in all that we do, constantly learn from our mistakes and improve at every opportunity. We won't ever make perfection, but we'll keep getting better every day. That's all we can logically ask for.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Exactly, and I think we've learned that with the sophistication we have in our society and judicial system; that we can get along just fine without a death penalty. If we don't really need it, then there's no point in using it considering the failure mode of the death penalty.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So let's do our best in all that we do, constantly learn from our mistakes and improve at every opportunity. We won't ever make perfection, but we'll keep getting better every day. That's all we can logically ask for.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Our justice system isn't perfect, so I can't support capital punishment, because the risk of killing an innocent person is not a risk society should take.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    I am sure this has already been said.

    How can you have an intelligent debate on a subject when the person framing the question cannot even be bothered to include "oppose it" as an option and so we have to vote "other" as if opposing it is some obscure position?

    So you have "support" and "condone", but no "oppose" or "disagree".

    Pathetic.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Thats basically what condoning an action is... :S
    Get a dictionary. You may find that intelligent people may give this thread a pass if you really think what you have posted above.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    To all of you:
    I know what condone means, sorry, just pick that if you disagree with it.
    I didn't previously know exactly what it meant. Sorry for any inconvenience.
    Nah. This thread has no credibility. You want me to pick the option that I condone capital punishment when I think it's a barbaric piece of savagery that is only supported by people because they have psychosexual hangups which get them to foam vengeance and hatred at people they don't know on behalf of other people they have never met and usually about hypothetical situations that never existed?

    I don't really want to go through the tedium of being asked to imagine by daughters being raped and murdered and induced to fantasize about what I would like to do the mythical perpetrator by someone who cannot even formulate the question properly and then doesn't care enough about the meaning of words and ideas to reformulate it properly.

    George Bush made the best ever case for capital punishment when he executed Tim McVeigh. It was a brilliant argument. And still wrong. But far superior to the testosterone fuelled rantings of most capital punishment supporters.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    I am sure this has already been said.

    How can you have an intelligent debate on a subject when the person framing the question cannot even be bothered to include "oppose it" as an option and so we have to vote "other" as if opposing it is some obscure position?

    So you have "support" and "condone", but no "oppose" or "disagree".

    Pathetic.
    You can have an intelligent conversation regarding the topic. Nobody said you had to vote in the poll in order to do so.

    If you think the poll is skewed (and I would agree, even though I'm one of those horrible death penalty supporters) then don't vote in it and argue your point. Many who have posted in this thread have done just that.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I don't hold to any particular notions of justice. The world's unfair all over.
    And it should stay that way forever, right ??

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    You can have an intelligent conversation regarding the topic. Nobody said you had to vote in the poll in order to do so.

    If you think the poll is skewed (and I would agree, even though I'm one of those horrible death penalty supporters) then don't vote in it and argue your point. Many who have posted in this thread have done just that.
    There are two groups of death penalty supporters. Nice ones and horrible ones. Of course TGND you are in the former camp. The argument put forward by GWB was that we should grieve the loss of Tim McVeigh's life along with those he killed. He was put to death solemnly as a mark of how much the USA valued life. It was an argument entirely devoid of petty vengeance and retribution, entirely appropriate for a head of state. It is a wrong argument because the death penalty is neither an attempt to rehabilitate nor is it necessary to protect the community. It is only a punishment. From a Christian point of view we do not have the right to punish. Vengeance is for God. From a liberal point of view the State also should have no right to exact retribution. The state can act to deter crime, protect the public or rehabilitate a criminal. Capital punishment does none of these. It is a solemn act of barbarism, at best, ritually sacrificing human beings for some irrational reason. Is it supposed to make us all feel better? It dies nothing of the sort to civilized and cultured people. Tim McVeigh's death means absolutely nothing. It was a compliance with McVeigh's own world if ritual violence. The alternative (the one prescribed by Christ) that we desist from vengeance and meet evil with love, would have led to a McVeigh neutered of his hatred, impotently languishing in prison, with his hated and paranoia muted by the contrast between the civilized way the community would treat him and the filthy squalid evil of his actions. Instead he is a legend, an anti-hero, who got the martyrdom he craved and died triumphantly. Jesus was smart.
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