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    Re: Capital Punishment

    I find the options in this poll to be odd, since both "support" and "condone" have roughly the same meaning here, and "oppose" is not even an option.

    However, moving on. I believe the death penalty has it's place, when the crime is so heinous and guilt so obvious as to remove all doubt. I'm talking serial killers with the bodies of their myriad victims found buried in the basement of the suspects house. That kind of heinous, that kind of obvious.

    To my mind the death penalty is used far too often, and is too frequently asked for by prosecutors who either want to advance their own careers and status, or need the death penalty as leverage to coerce defendents to accept a plea bargain. Death row inmates are being exhonorated by DNA evidence. That alone is enough to stand back and say, "waitaminute, innocent people on death row? We're doing something wrong here."

    The death penalty is overused, in my opinion, and I do not have a single doubt that innocent people have been executed.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    I support it, but in more restricted circumstances than those in which it is commonly applied. There need to be standards of evidence, beyond those required for mere conviction of a capital crime, that would allow the death penalty to be imposed. This, because there's no way to take it back or compensate the person who is executed wrongly. And I do think it is inevitable that we have surely executed people who were innocent.

    On the other hand, if we could be 100% certain that our convictions were sound, I would support the death penalty for a wider array of crimes than those typically considered for it. Folks like Jeff Skilling and Dennis Kozlowski should be on death row, IMO. They ruined many people's lives. Serial rapists and kidnappers are another breed that I think we could do without.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The fact remains that money can never compensate for time or life lost. Pretending that someone can be compensated for losing the best years of their lives in a hole is ludicrous. Please stop being ludicrous.
    I didn't pretend that money could do either. You're the one who brought it up. Try to remember your own arguments please. I said that the difference is between one being dead and one being able to finally be vindicated and being freed. Please stop being ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't pretend that money could do either. You're the one who brought it up. Try to remember your own arguments please. I said that the difference is between one being dead and one being able to finally be vindicated and being freed. Please stop being ludicrous.
    If one is dead and vindicated, or one is an old man and vindicated, it doesn't change the facts that they can never be compensated for their losses. Personally, I'd rather be dead than spend my life behind bars wrongly. YMMV.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If one is dead and vindicated, or one is an old man and vindicated, it doesn't change the facts that they can never be compensated for their losses. Personally, I'd rather be dead than spend my life behind bars wrongly. YMMV.
    Well then you can commit suicide in your cell. It is unfortunate that innocent people will get caught up from time to time in the judicial system. That's just a product of living in the real world. We have to have some form of judicial system and jails. However, the consequences of failure for the death penalty are far worse than the consequences of failure for throwing someone in jail. We don't really need the death penalty anymore, it is cheaper to keep a criminal locked up for life than it is to let them rot on death row. The increased consequence of failure, the increase in money necessary to have the DP, and the fact that our jail system has become very sophisticated and thus once jailed there is little chance of escape all come together to mean that we do not need the death penalty anymore. It would be best to stop using it. But if you're not going to stop, then the method such as the one used in Colorado should be adopted.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well then you can commit suicide in your cell. It is unfortunate that innocent people will get caught up from time to time in the judicial system. That's just a product of living in the real world. We have to have some form of judicial system and jails. However, the consequences of failure for the death penalty are far worse than the consequences of failure for throwing someone in jail. We don't really need the death penalty anymore, it is cheaper to keep a criminal locked up for life than it is to let them rot on death row. The increased consequence of failure, the increase in money necessary to have the DP, and the fact that our jail system has become very sophisticated and thus once jailed there is little chance of escape all come together to mean that we do not need the death penalty anymore. It would be best to stop using it. But if you're not going to stop, then the method such as the one used in Colorado should be adopted.
    It is only cheaper because a death row inmate can keep charging their endless appeals to the state, whether there is any basis for making an appeal or not. Get rid of meaningless appeals, those which do not claim the demonstrable innocence of the criminal, and the DP will be downright cheap.

    But hey, we don't expect you to acknowledge reality. You never have before, why start now?
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Capital Punishment should fit the crime, IE if you murder someone and your found guilty, guess what..its time to die.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It is only cheaper because a death row inmate can keep charging their endless appeals to the state, whether there is any basis for making an appeal or not. Get rid of meaningless appeals, those which do not claim the demonstrable innocence of the criminal, and the DP will be downright cheap.
    If you streamline the process, you're only going to exacerbate the problem. Those appeals are there in order to ensure that the number of innocent people caught up can be minimized. You want to take out the safety interlocks so that it costs less money?

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    But hey, we don't expect you to acknowledge reality. You never have before, why start now?
    Nice. One day perhaps you can act like an adult during a debate.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Capital Punishment should fit the crime, IE if you murder someone and your found guilty, guess what..its time to die.
    So no person has ever been wrongly convicted of murder, eh?
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It is only cheaper because a death row inmate can keep charging their endless appeals to the state, whether there is any basis for making an appeal or not. Get rid of meaningless appeals, those which do not claim the demonstrable innocence of the criminal, and the DP will be downright cheap.
    I don't understand how anyone can be so cavelier about life and death. If we are going to insist on using the death penalty, then we damn well owe to ourselves and those on trial to be as sure as possible that 1) the trial was fair and legal and 2) we're executing the right person.

    I used rail about the endless appeals and how it was a waste of time and money. Then I started paying attention to the death penalty here in my state. HALF of the death row inmates were exonerate on appeal. At least one was within a few days of his execution. Thank God for those endless appeals or Illinois would've executed an innocent man.

    And that is my problem with the death penalty. I don't think its cruel or barbaric. There are plenty of people who clearly deserve to die. People that are so vile and evil the only thing they are owed is a swift death. The nutjob who shot Represenative Giffords comes to mind. John Wayne Gacy. Ted Bundy. Jeffery Dahmer. Osamn Bin Laden. The creators of American Idol. I have no problem with these scumbags being executed by the state.

    Heck, if I had a 100% guarantee on the guilt of the condemned, I'd happily EXPAND the death penalty to include violent rapists and all pedophiles. The problem is we don't have that guarantee. We have a system run by imperfect human beings. We do occassionally convict an innocent man. That is bad enough, but if they are sent to jail, they can at least be freed and given restitution. Once they are executed, there is no way to make that right. It's irreversable and the very real possibility of innocent blood being spilled makes me oppose the death penalty. Especially when you consider there is no proven benefit like being an effective deterrent or even cost efficient (given the need for a thorough appeals process).
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