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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I oppose capital punishment for a number of reasons. BTW just why isn't there a no way in hell option? Ya' wanna' be fair donja'?
    It was a "rigged" poll, a too frequent occurrence here.
    A "conservative" against the death penalty ??
    I'll have to to some mind alterations , excuse me while I break out my pipe wrenches...

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because we have jails. And they've gotten pretty dang good. Not a whole lot of escapes these day. The problem with the death penalty is the penalty of failure. The failure of the death penalty is that people innocent of the charged crime are killed. And the more you use it, the more innocents you'll get caught up to it. Because the penalty of failure is so large with the death penalty, and because our jail systems have become very good that once a person is behind bars they effectively pose no threat to society, there is no longer a need to execute people. There's no rational reasoning behind it anymore.
    What are your thoughts then, on release of prisoners due to overcrowding. How about the release of violent offenders who have had almost no rehabilitation and the recidivism rate?

    In a 15 State study, over two-thirds of released prisoners were rearrested within three years

    Rearrest within 3 years
    67.5% of prisoners released in 1994 were rearrested within 3 years, an increase over the 62.5% found for those released in 1983

    The rearrest rate for property offenders, drug offenders, and public-order offenders increased significantly from 1983 to 1994. During that time, the rearrest rate increased:
    - from 68.1% to 73.8% for property offenders
    - from 50.4% to 66.7% for drug offenders
    - from 54.6% to 62.2% for public-order offenders

    The rearrest rate for violent offenders remained relatively stable (59.6% in 1983 compared to 61.7% in 1994).
    Bureau of Justice Statistics Reentry Trends in the U.S.: Recidivism
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because we have jails. And they've gotten pretty dang good. Not a whole lot of escapes these day. The problem with the death penalty is the penalty of failure. The failure of the death penalty is that people innocent of the charged crime are killed. And the more you use it, the more innocents you'll get caught up to it. Because the penalty of failure is so large with the death penalty, and because our jail systems have become very good that once a person is behind bars they effectively pose no threat to society, there is no longer a need to execute people. There's no rational reasoning behind it anymore.
    Being a threat to society is not the only reason to remove someone from it. There's this thing called justice, ever heard of it? And honestly, putting someone in prison has just as many risks, more in fact, of punishing an innocent as the death penalty does. I don't care if you can let them out, no amount of money can compensate someone for years of their life spent rotting in a hole. So let's not punish anyone, we might make a mistake! Oh noes!
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Some people need killing.
    Who gets to decide? The government? Me? I hope it's me.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    What are your thoughts then, on release of prisoners due to overcrowding. How about the release of violent offenders who have had almost no rehabilitation and the recidivism rate?
    Done and done. In Colorado we threw out all our non-violent criminals. Been pretty ok for us. We also have one of the strictest rules for using the death penalty in the nation. It's ok, I prefer not to have it; but if you're going to have one our system is probably the best way to implement it.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Being a threat to society is not the only reason to remove someone from it. There's this thing called justice, ever heard of it? And honestly, putting someone in prison has just as many risks, more in fact, of punishing an innocent as the death penalty does. I don't care if you can let them out, no amount of money can compensate someone for years of their life spent rotting in a hole. So let's not punish anyone, we might make a mistake! Oh noes!
    You done? Or will we have to suffer more of this stupidity? I know what justice is. It does suck that innocent people will get sent to jail, but at least they're still alive instead of being dead. If they're alive and innocent, they'll at least have some hope of making a case to get out. If they're dead and it's found out that they were innocent...well no amount of money can compensate the family for the life the State took.

    At no point did I say scrap the judicial system or that we shouldn't punish anyone. I said that because of the penalty of failure of the death penalty is so large, and because our jail systems have become very good, that the death penalty is no longer necessary. Please read and comprehend before you run your mouth with such baloney hyperbole as what you spewed forth here.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I believe that it is wrong to kill. Full stop. Period.

    I notice that in the poll you don't offer anyone the option of flat out disagreeing with CapPun. Why's that?
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Is it being stated that no matter how horrific the crime, the criminal is to escape mortal judgment in favor for staying in jail? Is it true jail life is better than the past, complete with televisions, internet access, and gyms?

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Done and done. In Colorado we threw out all our non-violent criminals. Been pretty ok for us. We also have one of the strictest rules for using the death penalty in the nation. It's ok, I prefer not to have it; but if you're going to have one our system is probably the best way to implement it.
    I was waiting for someone to mention that jailing more people doesn't automatically create a safer society. Were that the case then the US would have to lowest rates of criminal activity because it has the highest per capita prison population in the World. Similarly, having the DP has little bearing on the level of serious and violent crime. This being the case, the discussion can only really be conducted on the ethical and moral level, since criminologically speaking, you can make a case in both directions.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You done? Or will we have to suffer more of this stupidity?
    I don't know, when do you plan on stopping?

    I know what justice is. It does suck that innocent people will get sent to jail, but at least they're still alive instead of being dead. If they're alive and innocent, they'll at least have some hope of making a case to get out. If they're dead and it's found out that they were innocent...well no amount of money can compensate the family for the life the State took.

    At no point did I say scrap the judicial system or that we shouldn't punish anyone. I said that because of the penalty of failure of the death penalty is so large, and because our jail systems have become very good, that the death penalty is no longer necessary. Please read and comprehend before you run your mouth with such baloney hyperbole as what you spewed forth here.
    The fact remains that money can never compensate for time or life lost. Pretending that someone can be compensated for losing the best years of their lives in a hole is ludicrous. Please stop being ludicrous.
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