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    Re: Capital Punishment

    I'm not interested in revenge, and the State would have no right to seek revenge unless it was the wronged party. I want people to be dead because they are too dangerous alive. I want them dead because as long as they are alive, they will continue hurting people.

    Tell me, do you know how to stop them from hurting people?

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Plus keeping them alive would just be a drain on the state's resources.
    Incorrect. Putting someone to death costs far, far more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives...mostly due to the legal costs associated with all the appeals. And the only way to change that would be to deny someone their due process, which we aren't about to do. So capital punishment is a drain on the state's resources, much moreso than keeping them in prison is.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75
    If they deserve to die, they should die. I see this issue in pretty clear black-and-white terms, I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.
    Aside from the cost, there's the fact that a significant percentage of death row inmates have been exonerated...and those are just the ones we know about. Furthermore, there's the human rights aspect of it...why should we behave like murderers simply because others do?
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Incorrect. Putting someone to death costs far, far more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives...mostly due to the legal costs associated with all the appeals. And the only way to change that would be to deny someone their due process, which we aren't about to do. So capital punishment is a drain on the state's resources, much moreso than keeping them in prison is.


    Only because we allow appeals to drag on for ten or more years. Give them a fair trial with first class legal representation. Give the convicted people a reasonably speedy appeal with a first class legal team provided at tax payer expense where ALL issues of appeal must be brought up.

    Zangara was tried, sliced and diced in five weeks from the time he tried to kill FDR in 1933 and did kill Anton Cermak. I doubt if we can match that timeline, but its something to aim for.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Incorrect. Putting someone to death costs far, far more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives...mostly due to the legal costs associated with all the appeals. And the only way to change that would be to deny someone their due process, which we aren't about to do. So capital punishment is a drain on the state's resources, much moreso than keeping them in prison is.
    I stand corrected. But are you talking about legal costs on the part of the state in order to uphold the appeals process, or legal costs incurred on the part of the defendant?

    Aside from the cost, there's the fact that a significant percentage of death row inmates have been exonerated...and those are just the ones we know about.
    That's why I added the caveat that justice system must produce the correct outcome in previous post. This is an indictment of the justice system and its results, not an indictment of capital punishment specifically.

    Furthermore, there's the human rights aspect of it...why should we behave like murderers simply because others do?
    People who murder have lost their human rights, because imo they have ceased to be human. When the state kills it kills for (what I believe to be) a worthy cause (the administration of proper justice), and thus I don't believe capital punishment is equivalent to murderous behavior.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Only because we allow appeals to drag on for ten or more years. Give them a fair trial with first class legal representation. Give the convicted people a reasonably speedy appeal with a first class legal team provided at tax payer expense where ALL issues of appeal must be brought up.
    Why? What happens if other issues come to light after the fact? Or what if the appeal itself has issues that need to be appealed? Under what constitutional provision does our government have the power to deny people their due process under the law, just because they're on trial for their life? If anything, such serious cases should be entitled to MORE legal protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    Zangara was tried, sliced and diced in five weeks from the time he tried to kill FDR in 1933 and did kill Anton Cermak. I doubt if we can match that timeline, but its something to aim for.
    He also openly confessed to the crime and did not avail himself of any appeals.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    I support it. It is costly and mistakes happen, but overall I think most criminals cannot be rehabilitated.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    There is never a valid reason justifying capital punishment.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I support it. It is costly and mistakes happen, but overall I think most criminals cannot be rehabilitated.
    Mistakes with the death penalty mean that people innocent of the charged crime die.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Tell me, do you know how to stop them from hurting people?
    There's a kind of logical misfire here, isn't there? You'd stop people from hurting others by hurting them? If you don't believe in retribution, i.e. you don't kill them because they have killed others, then you demonstrate a certain morality. But if you then kill them because they are dangerous and don't wish them to hurt others, then you showing yourself - and indeed all of society - to be equally lethal.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Principally against capital punishment.

    The lawmaker can't afford mistakes when it comes to life and death. There should always be an incentive for a criminal to turn himself in.

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