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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    It's drivel because it is plainly nonsensical that a threat of punishment would turn psychopaths into saints. But maybe if you could explain how, I might be able to see the counter intuitive genius behind your thesis and acknowledge my mistake.
    I already did explain. If we send a clear message we are going to kill you in a timely manner then it makes sense that it would go down. This is simple stuff.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    Kill the killers because killing is wrong. I'm not seeing the logic in that. If you're going to say an action is wrong, and that people who do it are evil, doesn't it negate the legitimacy of that notion when you perform the act that you say to be wrong?
    Think if it is tough love parenting then. Sometimes parents have to give their children a slap on the hand to keep them away from a hot stove burner but in return parents do not allow their kids to smack their hands. Think of it that way. Does that even make sense?
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I already did explain. If we send a clear message we are going to kill you in a timely manner then it makes sense that it would go down. This is simple stuff.
    That's it?

    I suppose it does have the merit of being simple. Congratualtions. You have found the perfect cure to cure psychopathy and to mitigate the most harmful effects of schizophrenia.

    Kill a few quickly.

    Of course, for people who are not mad, as "being caught" seems to have nothing to do with deterrence in your "simple" world, we can disband all the police forces in the world as well.

    As long as we kill people quickly all our problems will be solved.

    I expect the Nobel Prizes will be rolling in.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    It's drivel because it is plainly nonsensical that a threat of punishment would turn psychopaths into saints. But maybe if you could explain how, I might be able to see the counter intuitive genius behind your thesis and acknowledge my mistake.
    You're right, psychopaths cannot be cured or rehabilitated, that's why they need to be executed when they kill, like a rabid dog would be destroyed in the interest of public safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You're right, psychopaths cannot be cured or rehabilitated, that's why they need to be executed when they kill, like a rabid dog would be destroyed in the interest of public safety.
    I do question the equating of the man and the dog.
    Humans are supposed to be on a higher level, both the criminal and the lawmaker..
    Today this distinction seems to be burred, between the felon and the congressman.
    Not doing ones responsibilities is close to a criminal act.
    Lets join the civilized world and ban the executions..

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You're right, psychopaths cannot be cured or rehabilitated, that's why they need to be executed when they kill, like a rabid dog would be destroyed in the interest of public safety.
    So you are clear that capital punishment is not a deterrent.

    Of course you have thought your solution through. So you presumably support executing psychopaths whether they have committed a crime or not, as, like a rabid dog that had killed or bitten no-one, psychopaths are a serious threat to public safety at five years old when they have committed no crimes but their eyes have began to swivel.

    Or is it not quite the same?

    Every argument except vengeance collapses under pressure. And of course the vengeance argument isn't an argument. It's an emotional reaction.
    Last edited by Plato; 02-19-11 at 09:05 PM.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    That's it?

    I suppose it does have the merit of being simple. Congratualtions. You have found the perfect cure to cure psychopathy and to mitigate the most harmful effects of schizophrenia.

    Kill a few quickly.

    Of course, for people who are not mad, as "being caught" seems to have nothing to do with deterrence in your "simple" world, we can disband all the police forces in the world as well.

    As long as we kill people quickly all our problems will be solved.

    I expect the Nobel Prizes will be rolling in.
    If you wish to have a dialogue with me? You are gonna have to leave your pomposity at the door.
    Last edited by Kali; 02-20-11 at 12:58 AM.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    So you are clear that capital punishment is not a deterrent.
    Most murders are commited due to fits of rage or commited while commiting another crime. If I remember right psychopaths actually make up for around 1% or less of all murders. So while a death sentence wouldn't deter a psychopath it should be a deterrant for those commiting a murder for other reasons.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Most murders are commited due to fits of rage or commited while commiting another crime. If I remember right psychopaths actually make up for around 1% or less of all murders. So while a death sentence wouldn't deter a psychopath it should be a deterrant for those commiting a murder for other reasons.
    A death penalty is seldom rendered for death caused by spontaneous outbursts of anger, nor should it be. Premeditated, Methodical planning in the use of deadly force..i.e., MURDER must be punished by a sentence of death as these perpetrators will repeat the same if given the chance by society as these people have no moral compasses, a human life is often just an obstacle standing in the path of whatever they lust after.

    As much as some attempt to apply a false premise in relation to DEATH, there indeed are degrees to consider in the act of killing. Some killings are due to natural happenstance and cannot be avoided, i.e., ACCIDENTS, some killings are carried out as an act of righteous punishment as explained above, while the immoral act of killing is called MURDER, the taking of an innocent life by the premeditated planning thereof in this nation where life is documented as being UNALIENABLE (non-transferable) by man or man's government void of DUE PROCESS which is determined through proxy of the peoples will...i.e., standard of morality as held by society.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If you wish to have a dialogue with me? You are gonna have to leave your pomposity at the door.
    Trust me, THAT is not going to happen.

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