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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any evidence it is a deterent?
    If the penalty for murder was a $50.00 fine...........

    ........would the murder rate go up or down?


    Deterrents are only as effective as the punishment is harsh........
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know. But people still act like it is.
    Some do, but the more rational proponents of the DP, like our own Catz, do not use something as spurious as that. Their arguments are more sophisticated and reasonable and deserve more respect. They're still wrong though.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    If the penalty for murder was a $50.00 fine...........

    ........would the murder rate go up or down?


    Deterrents are only as effective as the punishment is harsh........
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    Not sure it would effect it at all. If I mean to kill someone, I will, regardless of the deterent. Most those inclined to kill are that way I suspect. However, no one is suggesting a fifty dollar fine. Life in prison is severe in it's own right.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Some do, but the more rational proponents of the DP, like our own Catz, do not use something as spurious as that. Their arguments are more sophisticated and reasonable and deserve more respect. They're still wrong though.
    I hear you and agree completely. Reminds me of former governor of Texas Ann Richards who said something to the effect that there was no evidence that the death penalty detered others from committing murder, but that 100 % of those who were executed never murdered again. She had a point. But not a large enough one to change my mind.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure it would effect it at all.
    Which speaks volumes to your lack of logic........

    Akin to saying The Penalty of Death for speeding would not have any impact on the leadfoots in our society.

    If I mean to kill someone, I will, regardless of the deterent. Most those inclined to kill are that way I suspect. However, no one is suggesting a fifty dollar fine. Life in prison is severe in it's own right.
    So why have any penalty at all then? If most murderers are inclined to kill regardless.......
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Which speaks volumes to your lack of logic........

    Akin to saying The Penalty of Death for speeding would not have any impact on the leadfoots in our society.



    So why have any penalty at all then? If most murderers are inclined to kill regardless.......
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    Murder is not equal to speeding. Very different mentalities involved. But, you're free to produce evidence.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Some do, but the more rational proponents of the DP, like our own Catz, do not use something as spurious as that. Their arguments are more sophisticated and reasonable and deserve more respect. They're still wrong though.
    For the record, in spite of how damned attractive you are, your arguments are much wronger than my own.

    And for the record, most death penalty proponents (and none in this thread) don't believe the death penalty has a crime prevention (deterrent) effect. When a guy is looking to stab his wife to death because she pissed him off, the death penalty/prison sentence is the last thing he's thinking about. Prison, in general, does not serve as a deterrent to crime, other than for those who are incarcerated. Keeping the right people incarcerated can DEFINITELY have a quelling effect on overall crime.

    That won't keep death penalty opponents from beating this dead horse repeatedly, though.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Murder is not equal to speeding.
    ....thus we dont need as severe a deterrent do we?

    Very different mentalities involved. But, you're free to produce evidence.
    The choice to speed or the choice to take innocent life.........choice is still part of the equation.
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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I hear you and agree completely. Reminds me of former governor of Texas Ann Richards who said something to the effect that there was no evidence that the death penalty detered others from committing murder, but that 100 % of those who were executed never murdered again. She had a point. But not a large enough one to change my mind.
    Maybe that's because you've largely been sheltered from the effects of violent crime.

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    Re: Capital Punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Maybe that's because you've largely been sheltered from the effects of violent crime.
    Hardly. My step father once lined us up against the wall and with gun in hand, threaten to kill us all there and then. He was extrememly violent. His bother was shot to death by the police over a $35 robbery. I even once put a man in the hospital for a month trying to remember who he was with my bare hands. I understand violence as much as anyone.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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