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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What corporation wouldn't find it beneficial to go over seas once they lost subsidies and grants from the federal government? Especially if those other countries offered em?
    ones that benefited from having more productive workers, for example.

    a good example in an excellent article (though long) that I would recomend to all who are truly interested in the topic under debate in this thread:

    ...service-oriented, in-person jobs of the sort that are really hard or impossible to outsource to China or India, where the cost of labor is low. Or to Germany, where the cost of labor is even lower. (Thatís another one of those counterintuitive economics things: Germany and Japan have high wages, but the cost of labor is not wages, it is wages relative to output. A German factory worker may earn $80,000 a year while a Chinese factory worker earns $4,000, but if the German produces $1 million worth of BMW bumpers a year while the Chinese guy produces $10,000 worth of flip-flops, the German is cheaper: Youíre paying him only 8 cents on the dollar, while youíre paying the Chinese 40 cents on the dollar. The German inexplicably does not feel exploited to make only one-fifth of what his coddled Developing World competitor earns. Strangely, the Chinese guy probably wishes he were exploited as ruthlessly as that poor German. Executive Summary: Economics is hard.)
    Sure, lower costing goods..but that is not all. Other countries also offer the same types of subsidies and grant monies that the US currently offers. With your plan they would have extra incentive to move outside the US than they currently have.
    okay. so the plan is that we allow other countries to give us goods that actually cost more than what they are selling them for? And this is bad because..... we don't like having our standard of living raised?
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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Smoot-Hawley.
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    So what?
    well, that about sums this debate up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not all of its jobs no. But we are not talking about all jobs. We are talking about manufacturing jobs. And that we would lose. We cannot afford to lose manufacturing jobs. The only ones that would stay in the US are the small ones that can't afford to go overseas.
    Why can't we?

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ones that benefited from having more productive workers, for example.
    So what you're saying here is that the workers in this country are more productive than those in other countries?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    a good example in an excellent article (though long) that I would recomend to all who are truly interested in the topic under debate in this thread:
    Ok read that whole article and quite frankly it sounded more like a rant against government and regulation than anything else. It even made it sound as if regulations to keep the environment clean is a bad thing....which I suppose if you look at it directly from the POV of the business it is. But its not very good when you're talking about society as a whole huh?.....unless you like breathing smog and acid rain. About the only salient part in the whole thing was what you quoted, and thats just business 101 stuff.



    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    okay. so the plan is that we allow other countries to give us goods that actually cost more than what they are selling them for? And this is bad because..... we don't like having our standard of living raised?
    No. The plan is to create wealth for this country. You do not create wealth for a country as a whole from the service industry. It takes both service and manufacturing to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Why can't we?
    Because it is manufacturing jobs which creates wealth for a country. It is manufacturing jobs which also allow a country to be more independant...as opposed to reliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, that about sums this debate up
    Why do you intentionally engage in intellectual fraud and outright misrepresentation instead of meeting a post head on and speaking to its relevant points?

    regarding the Smoot Hawley tariff - or rather the mere invocation of its name by some person here... her is what I said in its ENTIRETY

    So what? People get the squirts every day from eating a bad taco but they still enjoy the good ones for the rest of their lives. This idea that the right wing has that all they need is the name of ONE bad experience from eighty years ago to negate the tariff is a testimonial to the simple mindedness of their approach and beliefs.

    We would not have to worry about companies taking their act on the road if we merely used the very powers that the Constitution provides the Congress with. Or don't you conservatives support your sainted founders in that provision of your beloved Constitution?


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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Because it is manufacturing jobs which creates wealth for a country. It is manufacturing jobs which also allow a country to be more independant...as opposed to reliant.
    Management does not produce wealth? Then why are they paid so much more than the blue collar workers on a free market?

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Management does not produce wealth? Then why are they paid so much more than the blue collar workers on a free market?
    They produce wealth on an individual/company basis. They do not create wealth on a national level.

    Edit note: please note the difference between "produce wealth" and "create wealth".
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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Everybody with sound mind will want that the US jobs will continue to stay in the States, except some liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Everybody with sound mind will want that the US jobs will continue to stay in the States, except some liberals.
    that makes no sense on any level.
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