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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    no, the intent of the idea is to keep jobs here in the USA. the effect of the idea, however, is to de facto raise the costs of doing R&D in the United States. companies will therefore have strong incentives to move their R&D (one of the industries we currently shine at) off-shore.

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So are you saying that Americans can't do the job properly or that there isn't enough of the right type of trained Americans do accomplish what needs to be done?
    Americans can do the job properly and I am sure that some are trained to do it, but they cost too much money, or it would require an adjustment of our companies resources that is enough of a pain that we just don't do it.

    Let me ask you a question, if our company can hire someone to do the job cheaper, why shouldn't we?
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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, the intent of the idea is to keep jobs here in the USA. the effect of the idea, however, is to de facto raise the costs of doing R&D in the United States.
    If they are getting getting subsidies and grants from us the tax payer for research, is the cost of R&D really an issue?
    companies will therefore have strong incentives to move their R&D (one of the industries we currently shine at) off-shore.
    If they do that then they should be cut off of subsidies and grants.
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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Need your opinion on this idea. Hopefully it would bring more manufacturing jobs back into the US.

    It is well known that the federal government gives subsidies and grants to corporations for researching various forms of technology. Then once those corporations discover something useful it is often sent across the border or over seas to manufacturing plants to produce en masse. (not saying all of em do...just a good majority). So here is my proposal.

    Make a law/rule/regulation...whatever you want to call it...that states that any corporation or organization that uses any form of government assistence would be required to manufacture any and all types of products that was discovered with said assistance inside US borders for X amount of years. (at least 20 imo)

    So what do you think? Feel free to give suggestions that would expand on this idea.
    Not a bad idea...I'd go a step further...I'd offer corporations tax incentives to bring industrial jobs back to the US and tariff the hell out of any US company that manufactured products overseas and shipped them back to the US for sale. At the same time I would do everything I could to entice foreign manufacturers to open plants in Mexico, the US, and Canada.

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Americans can do the job properly and I am sure that some are trained to do it, but they cost too much money, or it would require an adjustment of our companies resources that is enough of a pain that we just don't do it.
    No offense but just because it is "a pain" is not really a good enough excuse. I'm sure that it is "a pain" to be environmentally friendly..doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done.

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Let me ask you a question, if our company can hire someone to do the job cheaper, why shouldn't we?
    Under ordinary circumstances I have no problem with this. However if you recieve grants and such from the government then you should be obligated to give something back to the society that let you have that grant. Remember it is our taxpayers money that is providing your company with extra money to do R&D.

    Let me ask you a question, is it right that a company takes money in the form of grants (free ((free to them)) tax payer money) to research something, only to send what ever it is they discovered over to another country to be manufactured? Where is the incentive for us to give our money to you?
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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they are getting getting subsidies and grants from us the tax payer for research, is the cost of R&D really an issue?

    If they do that then they should be cut off of subsidies and grants.
    R&D isn't automatically subsidized by the government; you have to be investing in turning bio-waste into green fuel for nuclear battery cars at a small price of approx. $1,308.87 a gallon in order to get the government to invest in your wonderful idea.

    Medical R&D and technology, for example, is getting hit hard by increased taxes in Obamacare.

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    I think what most people are missing is that manufacturing jobs were on the decline in this country "before" free trade was established with China. Regardless if free trade agreements were made or not, manufacturing is a thing of the past. This country will never again see $20-$30/hour jobs in that sector. When the cheap labor abroad dries-up, technology will create robots and other machinery to take the place of a person on an assembly line. What the US needs is better education that will aid in continuing the innovation and creation that has kept this nation in the lead.

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I think what most people are missing is that manufacturing jobs were on the decline in this country "before" free trade was established with China. Regardless if free trade agreements were made or not, manufacturing is a thing of the past. This country will never again see $20-$30/hour jobs in that sector. When the cheap labor abroad dries-up, technology will create robots and other machinery to take the place of a person on an assembly line. What the US needs is better education that will aid in continuing the innovation and creation that has kept this nation in the lead.
    The problem with that line of thinking is that THAT is what has created the greatest divide with regard to wealth. Its economic suicide to abandon our industrial base. What you are left with is service based jobs and upper white collar jobs. Even factory and assembly lines require humans to maintain and monitor, quality test, etc. I dont disagree thats what we have done. Howver in the long term we are cutting our own throats, not only losing the jobs but also losing a customer base. Industry and labor need to sit down and find a way to make it profitable to bring the manufacturing jobs back.

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The problem with that line of thinking is that THAT is what has created the greatest divide with regard to wealth. Its economic suicide to abandon our industrial base. What you are left with is service based jobs and upper white collar jobs. Even factory and assembly lines require humans to maintain and monitor, quality test, etc. I dont disagree thats what we have done. Howver in the long term we are cutting our own throats, not only losing the jobs but also losing a customer base. Industry and labor need to sit down and find a way to make it profitable to bring the manufacturing jobs back.
    I understand completely the "doom" in this line of thinking. However, as long as investors and owners want continual growth in profits, such is laisse-faire economics. To do otherwise would be to go against the nature of capitalism in it's pure form. This is exactly what Marx and Engels predicted would happen. And while many like to believe that communism is dead, the path laid-out in the manifesto has really only just begun. Now, if people would like to actually avoid such a fate, they will open their eyes to the fact that sometimes sustainable profits beat living for short-term gains.

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    Re: Manufacturing jobs - Read post before voting!

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I understand completely the "doom" in this line of thinking. However, as long as investors and owners want continual growth in profits, such is laisse-faire economics. To do otherwise would be to go against the nature of capitalism in it's pure form. This is exactly what Marx and Engels predicted would happen. And while many like to believe that communism is dead, the path laid-out in the manifesto has really only just begun. Now, if people would like to actually avoid such a fate, they will open their eyes to the fact that sometimes sustainable profits beat living for short-term gains.
    I get that companies are in for the bottom line and that labor did a lousy job of recognizing what their exhorbitant demands would do to the jobs. I just hope those folks get some long term vision. Lower profit per item but more over the long term due to a reinvigorated customer base. I dont think it WILL happen. Just that we are on a collision course with economic failure if we dont change.

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