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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    These are meaningless platitudes. Let's get to what your bottom line is here: intolerance, inability to accept diversity, hatred of new and different things, fear of change. That's what motivates this talk of "unity" and fear of multiculturalism.

    I find that when you let your fear motivate your thinking you run into the same problem as all fearful people: your desire for self preservation becomes your undoing.
    Your comments are just as much platitudinal as mine. What I have said is that assimilation is dead. And you have no response to that. Please address that issue. Assimilation created shared identity. There is no shared identity in California. There are two separate states. Laws like the Vehicle Code apply to some people, but not others.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That dislike I believe comes from when Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT took over Taiwan and killed a large number of ethnic Taiwanese
    That is exactly where it comes from. I live in Taiwan and my wife is ethnic Minnan/Taiwanese and I have to say that there is definately some residual effects from the days of the White Terror, but also renewed now with more Chinese (nationality) tourists coming to Taiwan and exhibiting uncivilized behavior while guests here...
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Actually the majority of the Taiwanese population is Han to begin with. I am told by my parents that their ancestors left the southern coast of China and settled in Taiwan sometime in the 1600s during the Qing Dynasty. The KMT is an altogether different issue. Also I believe Dutch was referring to liberals rather than Chinese.
    Most Taiwanese are a mixture of minnan/taiwanese aborigine or Hakka/Taiwanese aborigine. They have constructed their own identity and culture in the four hundred years of being separated from Fujian.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I am "liberal - left"...and neither embrace or reject these things. No man is forced into any melting pot...Human tolerance is the melting's pot fire...
    I think the trouble is, the blacks cannot melt and the conservatives hate this..
    I wasn't referring to African Americans. They are not illegal aliens.

    Quite frankly, the melting pot is over. Instead, American will look like Lebanon.

    You folks on the left have the best of intentions. And we on the right have the ability to prevent your dreams from coming true. Both left and right have veto power. The decline in the American standard of living, especially for young people, will promote the sense of grievance in this country. But young people will be taxed to death to pay for my beer and pizza. I can accept that. Can you?

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Indeed.

    But it's hardly surprising someone would think Chinese is an ethnicity, when most people don't even know Chinese itself is not a language.
    Well, it is written, though to be fair, when people say "Chinese", they mean Mandarin. This usage is even common when speaking Mandarin and other Sinitic languages. If I ask 你會不會中文 (do you speak Chinese - written), the actual meaning is 'do you speak Mandarin'.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    And before the 1600's? I'll find out what name they call themselves but they really don't like you guys. Yes, I find american liberals/leftist mostly objectionable. I have no such feelings about the chinese. The chinese kids around here are mostly college kids. They seem nice enough, just like all college kids. They don't always seem to get along with the japanese kids tho. Imagine that.
    The people here before that are the Taiwanese aborigines -- considered to be proto-Austronesian people. In the 17th century, small numbers of people from Fujian began coming to Taiwan, initially in Dutch-controlled Anping (Tainan) but later in the parts controlled by Koxinga's Dongning Kingdom. After the Manchus conquered western Taiwan, and spent most of the 18th century restricting immigration to the island, mostly men from Fujian came here (either seasonally or permanently), had babies with local plains aboriginal women, and those children became part of the growing Minnan settlements in the southern and central parts of the western plain of Taiwan.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    One might even call them multicultural.
    They most certainly are in many ways. If you travel extensively in the country, get off the beaten track where the tours take you and are conversant in Mandarin, you definately can get a feel for that...
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What I have said is that assimilation is dead.
    Nonsense. Assimilation is happening just the same today as it ever has, and the new group always adds changes to the society. Assimilation leaves neither the immigrant nor the society the same, and that is a good thing.

    You bemoan the changes in society as if assimilation used to happen by magic, as if immigrants from generations past just blended right into a perfectly continuous, unchanging society. But you're looking at the past with rose colored glasses. This is the same tired rhetoric, the Irish/Italians/Mexicans/whatever today's immigrant group is are undermining our society, and it is just as bogus today as it was in the 30s.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That is exactly where it comes from. I live in Taiwan and my wife is ethnic Minnan/Taiwanese and I have to say that there is definately some residual effects from the days of the White Terror, but also renewed now with more Chinese (nationality) tourists coming to Taiwan and exhibiting uncivilized behavior while guests here...
    I interned at the National Museum of Marine Biology and Aquarium in Kenting this summer. My experience was that lots of Taiwanese tourists were rather rude. The Mainlanders in many cases were even worse.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They most certainly are in many ways. If you travel extensively in the country, get off the beaten track where the tours take you and are conversant in Mandarin, you definately can get a feel for that...
    That's very interesting. How hard is it, do you think, for an English speaker to pick up conversational Mandarin?

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