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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    ......and there is no reason it shouldn't remain civil. However, I thought you were a white liberal. Of course, if you share their values I feel the same way about you I would about white liberals. Isn't that fair?

    As an aside, a good friend of my wife is married to an american of ethnic taiwanese decent. They don't seem to like you guys very much. Ironic isn't it.
    That dislike I believe comes from when Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT took over Taiwan and killed a large number of ethnic Taiwanese
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I respect that.
    It irritates most.



    I view as cowardly an activity involving shooting something that can't shoot back (hunting people, as in participating in warfare where your enemy can return fire is more honorable and respectable in my opinion). I believe people should only hunt if it's necessary (for instance the deer in suburban Maryland where I live are out of control), or if hunting for sustenance is their chosen way of life. If I want to shoot, I go to the range.
    My father and mother survived the great depression by being subsistance farmers and hunters. Without hunting for food to augment their gardens, they wouldn't have made it. For that matter hunting, farming, raising cattle has sustained my anglo saxon ancestors for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.

    I still hunt. In my youth my father, brother and I would spend a great deal of time in the woods. I hunt alone now. I've lost my brother and father, but, sometimes, I can almost feel them with me. Hunting is a part of my culture. I wouldn't expect you to to understand that. Many/most liberals want to ban hunting and firearms ownership. This is something I cannot abide.



    No disagreement here. Liberalism also does not inherently view children as a "liability." Abortion has more to do with personal choice than any abstract view of children as a liability. In any case I already stated I am for the most part against abortion.
    Yes, it does. Do some reading of the founder of planned parenthood, margaret sanger. Like most liberals they tended to view children as a source of poverty, and those who were inferior to them. If liberals valued children we wouldn't have some 50 million dead since roe v wade, some 40% of them black.



    I consider myself a nonreligious deist and am partial to people who think critically and realistically about religion (i.e. studying the histories of Christianity and Islam and how they came to the founded, and just how valid and "holy" the scriptures really are). In no way do I think that religion is necessary to living a better life or making yourself a better person.
    I teach in a small rural school district in northern arkansas. The churches play an important part in the social fabric of the community. It's social in that it allows people to come together as a people. Think of them as a ready made support group.

    We also have a number of transient drug users, who subsist off government checks, larceny, and dealing. The churches are very good at working with their children. Like school they provide a safe environment and some structure and hope to the children of these people. I've come to believe the churches are of a more positive influence in their lives than the government checks that allow their parents to continue their drug use.


    I believe religion is beneficial in many ways and detrimental in others.
    In my world they are more beneficial than anything. From an historical perspective they've always been important to us. In my part of the flyover states they've served this purpose for quite some time now.


    I see expansive government as necessary given the complex world we live in, and we would be facing much worse problems if government were minimalist. However I do agree that the government is capable of doing more harm than good in many cases. That in no way means that it is unnecessary. At the end of the day the performance of the government is a reflection of the individuals we elect to participate in it. I believe that it is a good thing to hold government accountable for it's actions, but this is pretty much an open-ended proposition.
    I disagree. I see it as inept, overeaching, and creating more problems than it solves. In point of fact the more the federal government tries to do the worse it seems to get.

    I would much more prefer a small, efficient federal government tasked with defence of the nation, treaties, regulating trade between the states, and regulating corporations. I see the state and local governments tasked with all other affairs not addressed by the federal government. This is pretty much what the founders had envisioned. Being a large country doesn't mean this paradigm isn't still the best way for us.

    I would also like to see the end of this "policeman of the world crap." Why have troops stationed all ove the world? Why bomb serbia to make it safe for albanians? Why have troops protecting south korea while our own borders are wide open. Why protect taiwan from china? Why not build products people want and then sell them to anyone who wants to trade with us? Just a thought.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That dislike I believe comes from when Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT took over Taiwan and killed a large number of ethnic Taiwanese
    Actually the majority of the Taiwanese population is Han to begin with. I am told by my parents that their ancestors left the southern coast of China and settled in Taiwan sometime in the 1600s during the Qing Dynasty. The KMT is an altogether different issue. Also I believe Dutch was referring to liberals rather than Chinese.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    If one takes what some of them say seriously one would think the Han are a superior species.
    They, IMO, are NOT an inferior group.I do not believe that any on this planet are in or su perior!
    Thinking "superior" or "inferior" has caused so much trouble for/against man...We must move away from this.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Chinese is not an ethnicity just like American isn't an ethnicity. Chinese is a nationality, but not an ethnicity.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Chinese is not an ethnicity just like American isn't an ethnicity. Chinese is a nationality, but not an ethnicity.
    Indeed.

    But it's hardly surprising someone would think Chinese is an ethnicity, when most people don't even know Chinese itself is not a language.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Actually the majority of the Taiwanese population is Han to begin with. I am told by my parents that their ancestors left the southern coast of China and settled in Taiwan sometime in the 1600s during the Qing Dynasty. The KMT is an altogether different issue. Also I believe Dutch was referring to liberals rather than Chinese.
    And before the 1600's? I'll find out what name they call themselves but they really don't like you guys. Yes, I find american liberals/leftist mostly objectionable. I have no such feelings about the chinese. The chinese kids around here are mostly college kids. They seem nice enough, just like all college kids. They don't always seem to get along with the japanese kids tho. Imagine that.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That dislike I believe comes from when Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT took over Taiwan and killed a large number of ethnic Taiwanese
    I'm guessing it goes back farther than that, but I'm not taking sides here. My dog's not in that fight.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Indeed.

    But it's hardly surprising someone would think Chinese is an ethnicity, when most people don't even know Chinese itself is not a language.
    Yeah. Mandarin is the language most people would say is "Chinese." However, Cantonese is a very prevalent language as well. I believe the two main ethnic groups are the Han a Hui (although I'm not sure).
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    My father and mother survived the great depression by being subsistance farmers and hunters. Without hunting for food to augment their gardens, they wouldn't have made it. For that matter hunting, farming, raising cattle has sustained my anglo saxon ancestors for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.

    I still hunt. In my youth my father, brother and I would spend a great deal of time in the woods. I hunt alone now. I've lost my brother and father, but, sometimes, I can almost feel them with me. Hunting is a part of my culture. I wouldn't expect you to to understand that. Many/most liberals want to ban hunting and firearms ownership. This is something I cannot abide.
    Again, you are entitled to your own beliefs as I to mine. Like I said I believe that person should be able to hunt if they require it for sustenance. Hunting/fishing for sport is something I absolutely despise. I also believe that just because something is rooted in traditional and culture doesn't make it morally right. On a personal level i support banning hunting, and I believe that gun ownership is a privilege rather than a natural human right. The mere existence of firearms in our society creates many more problems than it solves, and I don't believe that it really makes our society any more free. However i'm not going to go out of my own way to suggest that we should be banning all those things because in practical terms it probably can't/won't be done.

    Yes, it does. Do some reading of the founder of planned parenthood, margaret sanger. Like most liberals they tended to view children as a source of poverty, and those who were inferior to them. If liberals valued children we wouldn't have some 50 million dead since roe v wade, some 40% of them black.
    All I can say is the root problem is unwanted pregnancies. Margaret Sanger was much more a proponent of contraception than abortion, although she supported both.

    I teach in a small rural school district in northern arkansas. The churches play an important part in the social fabric of the community. It's social in that it allows people to come together as a people. Think of them as a ready made support group.

    We also have a number of transient drug users, who subsist off government checks, larceny, and dealing. The churches are very good at working with their children. Like school they provide a safe environment and some structure and hope to the children of these people. I've come to believe the churches are of a more positive influence in their lives than the government checks that allow their parents to continue their drug use.
    I can respect that. No (at least none that I know) support the banning of religion and religious organizations. However in the absence of the church, other types of organizations could take on a similar role.

    I disagree. I see it as inept, overeaching, and creating more problems than it solves. In point of fact the more the federal government tries to do the worse it seems to get.

    I would much more prefer a small, efficient federal government tasked with defence of the nation, treaties, regulating trade between the states, and regulating corporations. I see the state and local governments tasked with all other affairs not addressed by the federal government. This is pretty much what the founders had envisioned. Being a large country doesn't mean this paradigm isn't still the best way for us.

    I would also like to see the end of this "policeman of the world crap." Why have troops stationed all ove the world? Why bomb serbia to make it safe for albanians? Why have troops protecting south korea while our own borders are wide open. Why protect taiwan from china? Why not build products people want and then sell them to anyone who wants to trade with us? Just a thought.
    I disagree with the first sentence. I can somewhat agree with the second. As for "policeman of the world" I agree that our military intervention abroad is too stretched. However some people hold the view that as the world's leading military superpower we have an obligation to uphold international law and intervene in many cases, because no one else is capable of doing so.

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