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Thread: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    You can't overlook the fact that it's armies and large sections of it's empire were eventually peopled by germans, who eventually decided they owed no allegiance or taxes to rome.
    Perhaps. Yet the Empire did a relatively decent job of incorporating newly conquered territories into its empire and offering citizenship to those that wanted it. I don't see multiculturalism vs. assimilation as an either/or thing. At any point in time, both could be happening at the same time. Ethnic minorities and newly conquered peoples wish to hold on to their own traditional identities, yet also assimilate in order to play a part of something bigger and rise up in the larger order.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What's happening in America bears little resemblance to Balkanization. America is not divided along geographical lines, at least not the splits we see here. I'm talking about neighborhoods, communities. Not that the South and Northeast and Pacific West are completely distinct from each other racially and politically and demographically.
    I dunno. It's looking like it's culturally, poliltically, and geographically. You guys predominate in the west and northeast, and you are very different from us.



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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Well I agree there are geographic differences. But it's still extremely difficult to think that the coasts will split off and become their own states. Keep in mind Yugoslavia was built along separate ethnic lines to begin with, and it was only a Communist dictator and shared hatred of the Nazis that brought them together in the first place. Balkanization is not even remotely a likelihood in the United States, I don't see a Civil War scenario happening in the near future.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Perhaps. Yet the Empire did a relatively decent job of incorporating newly conquered territories into its empire and offering citizenship to those that wanted it. I don't see multiculturalism vs. assimilation as an either/or thing. At any point in time, both could be happening at the same time. Ethnic minorities and newly conquered peoples wish to hold on to their own traditional identities, yet also assimilate in order to play a part of something bigger and rise up in the larger order.
    As a decendent of (largely) german immigrants who gave up the spelling of their name, their language, and much of their culture, I tend to see this as an either or situation. But there is more at work here than just how immigrants assimilate, or not.

    You and I are as culturally divided as we are from our recent latino immigrants. I'm a member of a traditional culture of western european origins. You are not. I resent and reject many of your cultural norms. I feel your culture is busy trying to dominate mine. I feel your culture is materialistic, death orientated, hollow, and decadent. I want no part of it. I feel it's injurious to mine. Hell, I feel your culture is corrosive to all traditonal cultures latino as well as mine. In short, my people are better off without you.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    As a decendent of (largely) german immigrants who gave up the spelling of their name, their language, and much of their culture, I tend to see this as an either or situation. But there is more at work here than just how immigrants assimilate, or not.

    You and I are as culturally divided as we are from our recent latino immigrants. I'm a member of a traditional culture of western european origins. You are not. I resent and reject many of your cultural norms. I feel your culture is busy trying to dominate mine. I feel your culture is materialistic, death orientated, hollow, and decadent. I want no part of it. I feel it's injurious to mine. Hell I feel your culture is corrosive to all traditonal cultures latino as well as mine.
    Not to sound offensive or anything given that our discussion has been civil up to this point, but you don't know me personally and know nothing of my "culture." In fact I am a first-generation American, son of Taiwanese parents of Han Chinese descent.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    There are 56 ethnic groups in China. Europe has 87 distinct ethnic groups. The Tlingit indian tribe of Alaska shares ethnic ancestory with the Koreans. Both of them are decendants of a distinct ethnic group the Mongol people. China is not an ethnicity. The Han people of China are an ethnic group.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well I agree there are geographic differences. But it's still extremely difficult to think that the coasts will split off and become their own states. Keep in mind Yugoslavia was built along separate ethnic lines to begin with, and it was only a Communist dictator and shared hatred of the Nazis that brought them together in the first place. Balkanization is not even remotely a likelihood in the United States, I don't see a Civil War scenario happening in the near future.
    I see the US as devoid of a common language, culture, and recognizable borders. We are less a nation in the traditional sense, unlike the present day chinese, and simply just a large tax domain.

    I believe the us will disintegrate. It's inevitable. Other nations have been talking about it for quite some time. I don't see it in my lifetime, too short, and "maybe" not in my son's lifetime, but it will occur.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    There are 56 ethnic groups in China. Europe has 87 distinct ethnic groups. The Tlingit indian tribe of Alaska shares ethnic ancestory with the Koreans. Both of them are decendants of a distinct ethnic group the Mongol people. China is not an ethnicity. The Han people of China are an ethnic group.
    Wouldn't that be the predominate ethnic group? That's kinda' the point here.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not to sound offensive or anything given that our discussion has been civil up to this point, but you don't know me personally and know nothing of my "culture." In fact I am a first-generation American, son of Taiwanese parents of Han Chinese descent.
    ......and there is no reason it shouldn't remain civil. However, I thought you were a white liberal. Of course, if you share their values I feel the same way about you I would about white liberals. Isn't that fair?

    As an aside, a good friend of my wife is married to an american of ethnic taiwanese decent. They don't seem to like you guys very much. Ironic isn't it.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Despite being the son of immigrants, I consider myself to be an American first and foremost, as opposed to having a core Asian-American identity. I love American sports. I listen to American popular music. I engage in the same kinds activities that people my age all over the nation engage in. Despite this, my parents raised me according to traditional Asian-style Confucian values, such as unquestioning respect for your elders, hard work, being responsible for yourself and to your family, and basically getting through your own trials and tribulations without whining or complaining.

    I resent and reject many of your cultural norms.
    Cultural norms are collective, not individual. If you are referring to my liberalism, well here we can just agree to disagree. In any case liberalism is a political ideology not a culture.

    I feel your culture is busy trying to dominate mine.
    Nobody in America is preventing you from going to church and believing and following your traditional American conservatives values.

    I feel your culture is materialistic, death orientated, hollow, and decadent.
    If anything is materialistic, it's laissez-faire capitalism. Death-oriented? How is liberalism death-oriented? FYI I am against abortion in most cases except rape, perhaps incest. I guess "hollow" is a subjective term. Decadence is a matter of perception and personal opinion. Either way nobody is attempting to force their points of view on you. As an aside I am actually quite conservative in my personal life. I am a 20-year-old college student, a virgin and have never touched alcohol in my life (not religious reasons).

    I want no part of it. I feel it's injurious to mine.
    Like I said, we live in America. You are free to believe what you wish and stick to your own personal values.

    In short, my people are better off without you.
    You don't know me.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 01-23-11 at 02:32 PM.

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