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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The are cultural disagreements between left and right, but the notion of actual "culture wars" is ridiculous. In terms of social issues, Americans have a bell curve were most of the people are social moderate/centrists, and the curve tapers off at the extreme left and right. If there were actually culture wars we would see many people at both extremes and few people in the middle, which is simply not the case. The large majority of Americans are social moderates/centrists/independents.
    Are you trying to convince me we are a united nation? I'm unconvinced.

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    NEW YORK, Dec. 8, 2010 /PRNewswire/ -- In conjunction with its Characters Unite public campaign to combat prejudice and discrimination, USA Network today released the results from its 2nd annual nationally representative opinion poll "United or Divided" -- conducted by Hart Research Associates (D) and Public Opinion Strategies (R). In just one year since the inaugural survey, there's been a significant increase in the percentage of Americans who think the country is too divided along racial and ethnic and political lines, as well as an increase in those who see the existing amount of intolerance, prejudice and discrimination as a serious problem. More than six in ten polled now say that the nation's lack of unity has changed for the worse over the last decade. A little less than half the country (45%) believes that the economic recession has made people less tolerant and accepting.

    "Ironically, it seems like the one thing most Americans agree on is that we're seriously divided," said Bonnie Hammer, president, NBC Universal Cable Entertainment and Cable Studios. "Acknowledging the problem is an important first step, but to avoid the consequences we've got to get out of our comfort zones and reach across the divide with understanding and respect."......




    Also I fail to see how the permission of numerous religions to coexist in the same society is a bad thing. We live in America, people should be free to worship whatever or whomever they wish. From the wikipedia article description of cultural liberalism I fail to see how it is corrosive to American society, which is predicated on the very notion of freedom of thought.
    Actually, I don't have a problem with religions, I tend to like people of faith. Naturally you don't want to believe secular humanism is corrosive to traditional cultures. If the shoe were on the other foot I wouldn't either.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    And I fail to see why civil unions with all the legal rights of those who are married isn't just as acceptable.
    Well a civil union with the same rights and benefits would essentially be a marriage in all but name only, correct? At which point it becomes a matter of semantics and ceases to become one of substance.

    That's why we belong to differing cultures.
    That's totally fine. That is what is great about America. People with drastically different viewpoints can coexist. You and I may come from completely different backgrounds but I doubt America is going to split into geographically distinct political entities because of it, a la Balkanization.

    Mr obama isn't liberal enough for you and too damn liberal for me. This is the problem one would expect in trying to govern a hopelessly divided country.
    You and I come from opposite extremes but the truth is the majority of Americans are somewhere in between. America is not a hopelessly divided country. We are a normal/bell curve, with the most people in the moderate/center and fewer at the fringes.

    Voting is what we do. It's the lack of representation that's the problem. Besides, I'm thinking the term "conservative" has different meanings to those in your poll. For instance you consider yourself "comservative" in your lifestyle. I get the idea you and I wouldn't agree on just what constitutes a "conservative" lifestyle.
    I guess for the purposes of the poll "conservatism" is in the eye of the beholder. They count the number of people who self-identify as conservatives, moderates, liberals, etc. You'd probably disagree with other people who classify themselves as conservatives on the meaning of conservatism as well.

    I have issues with american liberals/leftists on but not limited to; marijuana, gay marriage, dadt, firearms, hunting, religion, federal land use, experiments with the institution of marriage, failure to allow the use of resources, unions...for starters.

    Now, tell me, specifically what are your problems with conservatives.
    Pretty much the same issues you identify with most liberals, however I support the rights of conservatives to believe what they wish the believe and do the things they do as long as those things do not negatively impact others. The issue I personally identify the most is perhaps foreign policy and the intelligent use of our military.

    I'm sure you are a very nice person. I'm certain your mother and father love you. However, you guys, american liberals, are depressingly similar. American liberals tend to be very intolerant of those who do not share their political beliefs, that would be people like me.
    American liberals are all depressingly similar? Have you met, and do you personally know, most American liberals? It's pretty hard to judge people whom you don't know personally. I have friends of all races who all come from very different backgrounds, a reflection of the area I live in. Most kids my age are rather apolitical and apathetic. I have a number of close friends who are conservative. Our politics don't get in the way of our friendships. Liberals are often rather vocal and a lot can be downright arrogant at times, I don't deny this. But the same can be said of conservatives. We can all have differences of opinion, that doesn't mean we can't get along.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Are you trying to convince me we are a united nation? I'm unconvinced.

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    Actually, I don't have a problem with religions, I tend to like people of faith. Naturally you don't want to believe secular humanism is corrosive to traditional cultures. If the shoe were on the other foot I wouldn't either.

    I wouldn't go so far as to say we're united, of course not. But neither are we divided into two opposing camps. There are people on the extreme left and right on social issues but the vast majority if people are somewhere in between. I think the poll talks more about Americans' perception of division rather than statistical data on whether or not we're actually divided. Like I said, some political scientist should poll people and make a bar graph, i guarantee you for the most part the majority of Americans would be in the middle.

    I don't completely identify with secular humanism, but I fail to see how it is corrosive. As long as people believe what they want to believe and leave everyone else alone, that's cool with me. I thought you said you were an atheist?
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Leftists,

    You must accept the fact that there is a new idea that has emerged on the right. Political nihilism. That means we will use our position within the country to sabotage your New America. In a democracy, there is simply no defense to this phenomenon during a period of political and economic decline. The only thing that could save your New America is a rapid turn around of the economy and the creation of fifteen million new jobs muy pronto. That's not going to happen. Instead there will be a jobless recovery.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well a civil union with the same rights and benefits would essentially be a marriage in all but name only, correct? At which point it becomes a matter of semantics and ceases to become one of substance.
    And yet it is important.



    That's totally fine. That is what is great about America. People with drastically different viewpoints can coexist. You and I may come from completely different backgrounds but I doubt America is going to split into geographically distinct political entities because of it, a la Balkanization.
    I don't doubt it.

    You and I come from opposite extremes but the truth is the majority of Americans are somewhere in between. America is not a hopelessly divided country. We are a normal/bell curve, with the most people in the moderate/center and fewer at the fringes.
    You said that before but the problem is we don't represent the extremes.


    I guess for the purposes of the poll "conservatism" is in the eye of the beholder. They count the number of people who self-identify as conservatives, moderates, liberals, etc. You'd probably disagree with other people who classify themselves as conservatives on the meaning of conservatism as well.
    I think so too.


    Pretty much the same issues you identify with most liberals, however I support the rights of conservatives to believe what they wish the believe and do the things they do as long as those things do not negatively impact others. The issue I personally identify the most is perhaps foreign policy and the intelligent use of our military.
    Yes, we disagree, on just about everything, including foreign policy and the use of our military.


    American liberals are all depressingly similar? Have you met, and do you personally know, most American liberals? It's pretty hard to judge people whom you don't know personally. I have friends of all races who all come from very different backgrounds, a reflection of the area I live in. Most kids my age are rather apolitical and apathetic. I have a number of close friends who are conservative. Our politics don't get in the way of our friendships. Liberals are often rather vocal and a lot can be downright arrogant at times, I don't deny this. But the same can be said of conservatives. We can all have differences of opinion, that doesn't mean we can't get along.
    In point of fact I have. It might interest you to know I've met mr and mrs clinton. I actually met mr clinton twice. It's not really unusual in a state as small as mine. He knows my uncle. My uncle was once quite well known with the democratic political machine in arkansas. My cousin used to work for mr clinton as a photographer back in the day. Of course the clintons aren't exactly considered liberals by today's standards but that's another issue entirely.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I wouldn't go so far as to say we're united, of course not. But neither are we divided into two opposing camps. There are people on the extreme left and right on social issues but the vast majority if people are somewhere in between. I think the poll talks more about Americans' perception of division rather than statistical data on whether or not we're actually divided. Like I said, some political scientist should poll people and make a bar graph, i guarantee you for the most part the majority of Americans would be in the middle.
    The "middle" out here isn't anywhere near where you think it is.

    I don't completely identify with secular humanism, but I fail to see how it is corrosive. As long as people believe what they want to believe and leave everyone else alone, that's cool with me. I thought you said you were an atheist?
    Just because I don't believe in a god doesn't mean I don't see the good religion does for people. In my experience without religion people tend to fill their lives with "things" that aren't necessarily good for them their families or society.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Leftists,

    You must accept the fact that there is a new idea that has emerged on the right. Political nihilism. That means we will use our position within the country to sabotage your New America. In a democracy, there is simply no defense to this phenomenon during a period of political and economic decline. The only thing that could save your New America is a rapid turn around of the economy and the creation of fifteen million new jobs muy pronto. That's not going to happen. Instead there will be a jobless recovery.
    I like you al, but I have no idea what you are refering to here. I fear we won't have an economic recovery anywhere near what we need but I'm unaware of any organized resistance.
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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Are you trying to convince me we are a united nation? I'm unconvinced.

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    Actually, I don't have a problem with religions, I tend to like people of faith. Naturally you don't want to believe secular humanism is corrosive to traditional cultures. If the shoe were on the other foot I wouldn't either.
    If this "secular humanism" actually exists, it probably improves our culture..
    Isn't this secular humanism a product of the Bible thumpers ?
    We may be a divided nation, to an extent, thanks to Fox,Beck and Rush and other of that ilk..

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Yes, we disagree, on just about everything, including foreign policy and the use of our military.
    How do you think our military should be used? I doubt your viewpoint is all that dissimilar to mine.

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    Re: Is Chinese an ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    If this "secular humanism" actually exists, it probably improves our culture..
    Feel free to believe that.
    Isn't this secular humanism a product of the Bible thumpers ?
    That would be no.


    We may be a divided nation, to an extent, thanks to Fox,Beck and Rush and other of that ilk..
    You see, this is where we disagree.
    He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. ~ Winston Churchill

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