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Should prostitution be legalized?

legalize

  • legalize

    Votes: 36 80.0%
  • illegalize

    Votes: 5 11.1%
  • other

    Votes: 4 8.9%

  • Total voters
    45
Whereas in one, someone is paying for a service, that SOMETIMES the prostitute has been forced into it.

That's why it needs to be made legal, take the criminals out of the industry.
 
Damn, I wish I was smart enough to counter what you’re saying. Since I’m not, I guess I’ll just whip out Mr. Strawman and start vigorously masturbating with him until everyone leaves in disgust. Then I can climb on top of the festering pile of **** I’ve turned the thread into, wrap myself in the Likes of similar ilk, and laugh about how stupid the opposition is.
Your username appears to be quite apt.
 
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So your against pornography as well? Because that is what that is also.

As far as I am concerned, producing pornography for profit is a form of prostitution and should be prohibited under the same laws.
 
Protecting people from harm at the hands of others is a moral concept.

I'm speaking in legal terms, not philisophical. That's one of my biggest gripes with the right, they claim "smaller government" "more liberties" and yell all this bullsh*t about freedom, but then want to control peoples personals lives. That hypocrisy is actually very American, as our founding fathers touted liberty and freedom and then went home at night and whipped their slaves backs raw.

If some hardworking, tax paying man who has trouble getting ladies wants to pay a slutty girl cash to spend the night with him, who am I to tell him he can't do it?
 
As far as I am concerned, producing pornography for profit is a form of prostitution and should be prohibited under the same laws.

Wouldn't you consider that nanny-state government? The problem with enforcing morals in a society is not everyone has the same morals so someone is always being oppressed. I am sure there is something about you (gender, race, religion, etc.) or something that you do (gamble, drink alcohol, read the Bible, have sex in any other position than missionary) that at one point in time in some society around the world would have forbid you to do. So why does one group of people get to choose the moral code and not the others? True justice requires libertarian social policies.
 
Wouldn't you consider that nanny-state government?

I consider it the government's obligation.

The problem with enforcing morals in a society is not everyone has the same morals so someone is always being oppressed. I am sure there is something about you (gender, race, religion, etc.) or something that you do (gamble, drink alcohol, read the Bible, have sex in any other position than missionary) that at one point in time in some society around the world would have forbid you to do. So why does one group of people get to choose the moral code and not the others? True justice requires libertarian social policies.

If everyone had the same morals, they would not need to be enforced. The fact that every person has their own understanding of morality is what necessitates the government upholding its own singular standard to the best of its ability. I am certain that there have been periods of history in which my own lifestyle would be prohibited, just as there are people who would turn the government against me even today. That is no justification for the government to ignore its duty to uphold the moral consensus of society.

The reason why one group of people gets to choose our moral code is because they are the group of people who have been chosen to do so. Justice is a moral concept, thus in order for it to exist, there must be morality.
 
Typical clueless libertarian response.:poke

Well the same could have been said for your responses in the sense of being a " clueless conservative response" . but with you talking about morality and all, how is it moral to subject prostitutes to a life of fear and abuse by keeping it illegal ?
 
Legalize it, but limit it to licensed brothels and make sure the workers are tested on a regular basis. It's going to happen regardless of whether it's legal or not, and legalizing it will make things safer for everyone.
 
Yes, if the prostitutes are subjected to the same regulations, frequent testing, taxes, and red tape as every legitimate business in this country. Prostitutes should be tested regularly for sexual diseases and should also have to meet government safety and performance standards. They should have to file for federal, state and local business licenses, pay self employment taxes and income taxes, buy liability insurance, workman's comp insurance, and health insurance, pay unemployment comp taxes, excise taxes, annual business fees, and territorial permit fees. There should be a department of the Health and Human Services regulating each prostitute with frequent audits and reviews.

I would be fine with legalizing prostitution. If we made it legal like we make other US businesses legal, we would see a whole lot less of it than we do now. Just like we see a whole lot less of other US businesses these days.
 
The governments job is not to enforce morality, but only crime. If that was the case little college sluts who go around banging 20 different guys before their freshman year is up would be in jail. The smart girls at least get money for acting like sluts. Prostitution shouldn't be a crime. Nor any other sexual act between two consenting adults. Its God's duty to judge sins, not Uncle Sams.

I think you've mistaken college for high school.
 
Here is how it is straight up. If I want to charge a premium before I share my sexy man juice with another lady than by golly that is my right and if I have a hankering for some ***** and am not willing to get into all that relationship crap then helping put a fine woman through college in exchange for some sweet lovin' makes us both happy. No one's rights are being violated in such a scenario. That is the real issue. Using morality as some argument for restricting a consensual arrangement is quite ludicrous from people who support wars and oppression.
 
Its hypocrisy to have abortion but not prostitution. Both are about a women's right to do what she wants with her body.
 
No, not at all. I'm saying people are going to do it anyway, and it will be better for society if it is legal. Now if murder were legal, it would be worse for society. Get it now?

Why would legalizing murder be worse for society? Is it because of no fear of punishment that killings might increase?
 
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Why would legalizing murder be worse for society? Is it because of no fear of punishment that killings might increase?

You know, if you made murder legal, you'd get rid of a lot of serial killers that way who'd ask the question... "Where's the fun now" :2razz:
 
Making it illegal just assures that women will be victimized; it is better to regulate it, establish standards and protections.

If everything goes just as planned, the woman is victimized. I'm of the opinion our women, children, male and female, should not be bought and sold by those who are bigger, meaner, or simply have access to resources others do not have. Human beings deserve better than that.
 
Its hypocrisy to have abortion but not prostitution. Both are about a women's right to do what she wants with her body.

.....and yet both are still harmful to women, children, men in particular and corrosive to society in general. I won't be hypocritical and simply say I cannot support either.
 
If everything goes just as planned, the woman is victimized. I'm of the opinion our women, children, male and female, should not be bought and sold by those who are bigger, meaner, or simply have access to resources others do not have. Human beings deserve better than that.

Ah... that happens ALL THE TIME.

Whether it's the wife with a better attorney during the divorce...

Or a woman who leaves her husband for a man with more money and takes the kids along for the ride.

You think she's in this for love?

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Ah... that happens ALL THE TIME.

Whether it's the wife with a better attorney during the divorce...

Or a woman who leaves her husband for a man with more money and takes the kids along for the ride.

You think she's in this for love?
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No I don't. I think she's demeaning herself, and I think ol' hef is pretty disgusting these days. I had a different opinion when I was young and hef was at least younger. However, at some point hefner stopped being funny and became......disturbing. I suppose I've changed. Maybe I just grew up.

As to the rest of your post, of course, people do things for dubious reasons. You can't stop this. I wouldn't if I could. However, you don't have to legalized and therefore legitimize something that is so clearly harmful to the participants.
 
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No I don't. I think she's demeaning herself, and I think ol' hef is pretty disgusting these days. I had a different opinion when I was young and hef was at least younger. However, at some point hefner stopped being funny and became......disturbing. I suppose I've changed. Maybe I just grew up.

As to the rest of your post, of course, people do things for dubious reasons. You can't stop this. I wouldn't if I could. However, you don't have to legalized and therefore legitimize something that is so clearly harmful to the participants.

Genuine query.

Who is harmed if a woman conducts legitimate business that happens to be sex?

Prostitution is one of the oldest proffessions in the world. It's been around since human civilization began in one form or another.

Morality is often times subjective.

I may not agree with prostitution myself. Believe me I don't. But niether, am I going to sit by, while woman from here to Phnom Pehn are exploited because it's illegal and entirely run by criminals.

Illegal prositution will always exist. I mean for gods sake, we have a huge problem here in Canada even with Illegal cigarettes, and they've been legal since time began...

Fundamentally, I don't see the difference between the hot blonde marrying Hefner for money. Because lets face it. That's whats happening. (I'm sure there's some Hefty Prenup agreement involved no pun intended).

Or a woman who through legitimate means, sells the product of sex. Why do you think Hefners with her hah? It ain't cause she's good at scrabble...

Many American businesses are built on sex.

What's the old Mantra?

Sex Sells.
 
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Legalized but regulated, yes.
 
Genuine query.

Who is harmed if a woman conducts legitimate business that happens to be sex?

Prostitution is one of the oldest proffessions in the world. It's been around since human civilization began in one form or another.

Morality is often times subjective.

I may not agree with prostitution myself. Believe me I don't. But niether, am I going to sit by, while woman from here to Phnom Pehn are exploited because it's illegal and entirely run by criminals.

Illegal prositution will always exist. I mean for gods sake, we have a huge problem here in Canada even with Illegal cigarettes, and they've been legal since time began...

Fundamentally, I don't see the difference between the hot blonde marrying Hefner for money. Because lets face it. That's whats happening. (I'm sure there's some Hefty Prenup agreement involved no pun intended).

Or a woman who through legitimate means, sells the product of sex. Why do you think Hefners with her hah? It ain't cause she's good at scrabble...

Many American businesses are built on sex.

What's the old Mantra?

Sex Sells.

Two points. Sex does sell. However, should people be bought and sold, even if it's their own bodies? Also, why do so many people want to pretend that legalizing certain behaviors, and therefore legitimizing and therefore encouraging certain behaviors somehow saves the participants from the harmful effects of their actions? Just why is that? Frequent tests won't save prostitutes from the getting std's. Legitimizing prostitution won't ameliorate the damage they do to themselves. Why encourage this behavior?

Of course people will continue to break the law. That doesn't mean the law shouldn't exist in the first place. There was a time in our history when women who weren't married had very few options to support themselves. One was prostitution. It was a dead end lifestyle then, it is now, and legalizing it won't change that.
 
Two points. Sex does sell.


Good.

However, should people be bought and sold, even if it's their own bodies?

To be sold or bought, you have to be owned. And if you're a legal sex worker, safe from the likes of Pimps and illegal brothels. You're an entrepreneur :)

Also, why do so many people want to pretend that legalizing certain behaviors, and therefore legitimizing and therefore encouraging certain behaviors somehow saves the participants from the harmful effects of their
actions?

Please name said harmful effects.

Frequent tests won't save prostitutes from the getting std's.

If a hooker is an illegal street hooker, even with a pimp, a dude can demand she have sex with him without a condom. And more times then not, they'll do it for fear of being raped.

Regulated, safe and legal means the sex worker can demand a condom, and therefore STD's can be minimized, even with condoms sometimes it happens, but both participants are consenting.

Legitimizing prostitution won't ameliorate the damage they do to themselves. Why encourage this behavior?

On a case by case basis. A hooker who hurts themselves is highly likely to have been forced into it.

What I know from my research is that in poor neighbourhoods, pimps specifically target runaways and desperate teenagers for this business. Force them into it, and drug use and abuse often follows.

That does not speak to all prostitutes.


Of course people will continue to break the law. That doesn't mean the law shouldn't exist in the first place. There was a time in our history when women who weren't married had very few options to support themselves. One was prostitution. It was a dead end lifestyle then, it is now, and legalizing it won't change that.

The question is, should the law exist in the first place?

Is our own morality getting in the way of doing whats right?

For many woman, the fact that prostitution remains illegal is a life sentence, for doing what WE percieve to be wrong.
 
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