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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah... that happens ALL THE TIME.

    Whether it's the wife with a better attorney during the divorce...

    Or a woman who leaves her husband for a man with more money and takes the kids along for the ride.

    You think she's in this for love?
    No I don't. I think she's demeaning herself, and I think ol' hef is pretty disgusting these days. I had a different opinion when I was young and hef was at least younger. However, at some point hefner stopped being funny and became......disturbing. I suppose I've changed. Maybe I just grew up.

    As to the rest of your post, of course, people do things for dubious reasons. You can't stop this. I wouldn't if I could. However, you don't have to legalized and therefore legitimize something that is so clearly harmful to the participants.
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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    No I don't. I think she's demeaning herself, and I think ol' hef is pretty disgusting these days. I had a different opinion when I was young and hef was at least younger. However, at some point hefner stopped being funny and became......disturbing. I suppose I've changed. Maybe I just grew up.

    As to the rest of your post, of course, people do things for dubious reasons. You can't stop this. I wouldn't if I could. However, you don't have to legalized and therefore legitimize something that is so clearly harmful to the participants.
    Genuine query.

    Who is harmed if a woman conducts legitimate business that happens to be sex?

    Prostitution is one of the oldest proffessions in the world. It's been around since human civilization began in one form or another.

    Morality is often times subjective.

    I may not agree with prostitution myself. Believe me I don't. But niether, am I going to sit by, while woman from here to Phnom Pehn are exploited because it's illegal and entirely run by criminals.

    Illegal prositution will always exist. I mean for gods sake, we have a huge problem here in Canada even with Illegal cigarettes, and they've been legal since time began...

    Fundamentally, I don't see the difference between the hot blonde marrying Hefner for money. Because lets face it. That's whats happening. (I'm sure there's some Hefty Prenup agreement involved no pun intended).

    Or a woman who through legitimate means, sells the product of sex. Why do you think Hefners with her hah? It ain't cause she's good at scrabble...

    Many American businesses are built on sex.

    What's the old Mantra?

    Sex Sells.
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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Legalized but regulated, yes.

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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Genuine query.

    Who is harmed if a woman conducts legitimate business that happens to be sex?

    Prostitution is one of the oldest proffessions in the world. It's been around since human civilization began in one form or another.

    Morality is often times subjective.

    I may not agree with prostitution myself. Believe me I don't. But niether, am I going to sit by, while woman from here to Phnom Pehn are exploited because it's illegal and entirely run by criminals.

    Illegal prositution will always exist. I mean for gods sake, we have a huge problem here in Canada even with Illegal cigarettes, and they've been legal since time began...

    Fundamentally, I don't see the difference between the hot blonde marrying Hefner for money. Because lets face it. That's whats happening. (I'm sure there's some Hefty Prenup agreement involved no pun intended).

    Or a woman who through legitimate means, sells the product of sex. Why do you think Hefners with her hah? It ain't cause she's good at scrabble...

    Many American businesses are built on sex.

    What's the old Mantra?

    Sex Sells.
    Two points. Sex does sell. However, should people be bought and sold, even if it's their own bodies? Also, why do so many people want to pretend that legalizing certain behaviors, and therefore legitimizing and therefore encouraging certain behaviors somehow saves the participants from the harmful effects of their actions? Just why is that? Frequent tests won't save prostitutes from the getting std's. Legitimizing prostitution won't ameliorate the damage they do to themselves. Why encourage this behavior?

    Of course people will continue to break the law. That doesn't mean the law shouldn't exist in the first place. There was a time in our history when women who weren't married had very few options to support themselves. One was prostitution. It was a dead end lifestyle then, it is now, and legalizing it won't change that.
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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Two points. Sex does sell.


    Good.

    However, should people be bought and sold, even if it's their own bodies?
    To be sold or bought, you have to be owned. And if you're a legal sex worker, safe from the likes of Pimps and illegal brothels. You're an entrepreneur

    Also, why do so many people want to pretend that legalizing certain behaviors, and therefore legitimizing and therefore encouraging certain behaviors somehow saves the participants from the harmful effects of their
    actions?
    Please name said harmful effects.

    Frequent tests won't save prostitutes from the getting std's.
    If a hooker is an illegal street hooker, even with a pimp, a dude can demand she have sex with him without a condom. And more times then not, they'll do it for fear of being raped.

    Regulated, safe and legal means the sex worker can demand a condom, and therefore STD's can be minimized, even with condoms sometimes it happens, but both participants are consenting.

    Legitimizing prostitution won't ameliorate the damage they do to themselves. Why encourage this behavior?
    On a case by case basis. A hooker who hurts themselves is highly likely to have been forced into it.

    What I know from my research is that in poor neighbourhoods, pimps specifically target runaways and desperate teenagers for this business. Force them into it, and drug use and abuse often follows.

    That does not speak to all prostitutes.


    Of course people will continue to break the law. That doesn't mean the law shouldn't exist in the first place. There was a time in our history when women who weren't married had very few options to support themselves. One was prostitution. It was a dead end lifestyle then, it is now, and legalizing it won't change that.
    The question is, should the law exist in the first place?

    Is our own morality getting in the way of doing whats right?

    For many woman, the fact that prostitution remains illegal is a life sentence, for doing what WE percieve to be wrong.

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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Legalized but regulated, yes.
    This was regulated too. At just what point will people learn government bureaucrats typically suck at their jobs?

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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Good.
    I'm so glad we could agree on something.

    To be sold or bought, you have to be owned. And if you're a legal sex worker, safe from the likes of Pimps and illegal brothels. You're an entrepreneur
    Women, and their children, are regularly abused by their boyfriends/girlfriends. Making prostitution legal won't make you safe from some men/women.


    Please name said harmful effects.


    You are either naive or lack imagination. I cannot fix/address either from here. I suggest you google the effects of promiscuity and prostition on people.



    If a hooker is an illegal street hooker, even with a pimp, a dude can demand she have sex with him without a condom. And more times then not, they'll do it for fear of being raped.
    I generally avoid hypothetical situations but I'm thinking rape will always be a possiblity when one is exposed to risk, like selling your body for instance.


    Regulated, safe and legal means the sex worker can demand a condom, and therefore STD's can be minimized, even with condoms sometimes it happens, but both participants are consenting.
    Being regulated doesn't mean you have a bureaucrat, social worker, police officer, or your lawyer right there on the scene. It means you are; alone with a stranger, without your clothes on, and at risk of any number of possible outcomes. Such a situation could never be "safe."


    On a case by case basis. A hooker who hurts themselves is highly likely to have been forced into it.



    What I know from my research is that in poor neighbourhoods, pimps specifically target runaways and desperate teenagers for this business. Force them into it, and drug use and abuse often follows.

    That does not speak to all prostitutes.
    Your research? What research? {sigh} For what it's worth even legalizing prostitution doesn't mean we would legalize it for teens or children. There will always be those who want them, there will always be those who will sell them. Legitimizing prostitution won't change that.




    The question is, should the law exist in the first place?
    No.

    Is our own morality getting in the way of doing whats right?
    What morality? I just believe it's harmful for women individually, a waste of a valuable resource, women and bad if you want a functional society.


    For many woman, the fact that prostitution remains illegal is a life sentence, for doing what WE percieve to be wrong.
    I find this assertion highly questionable. Women aren't being forced into prostitution because I'm not buying their bodies on the street corner. In point of fact, I'm actively discouraging this behavior. Worse, I'm encouraging small females to succeed in educational endeavours in order to be an asset to society. A real asset, their minds, not their bodies.
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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    To be sold or bought, you have to be owned. And if you're a legal sex worker, safe from the likes of Pimps and illegal brothels. You're an entrepreneur
    No you're not. You can still be abused and mistreated at work just like any worker can, and even illegal prostitution, girls can work for themselves on the streets, not just for a pimp.

    Please name said harmful effects.
    increased spread of STDs, for one.

    If a hooker is an illegal street hooker, even with a pimp, a dude can demand she have sex with him without a condom. And more times then not, they'll do it for fear of being raped.
    And that guy that is choosing to rape women, will suddenly turn into a model citizen when prostitution is legal? No, if he is a rapist, then he will be a rapist whether prostitution is legal or not.

    Regulated, safe and legal means the sex worker can demand a condom, and therefore STD's can be minimized, even with condoms sometimes it happens, but both participants are consenting.
    They can demand a condom anyway.

    What I know from my research is that in poor neighbourhoods, pimps specifically target runaways and desperate teenagers for this business. Force them into it, and drug use and abuse often follows.
    It is more of "tricked" into it, then once they are in, they are too scared to get out and don't know what to do.


    The question is, should the law exist in the first place?

    Is our own morality getting in the way of doing whats right?
    Who is to say what is right? Why is one person's "right" more important then another's? Our Morality cannot really get in the way of what is right, because our morality (on an individual level) is what tells us what is right.

    For many woman, the fact that prostitution remains illegal is a life sentence, for doing what WE percieve to be wrong.
    Not really, many get arrested, don't care, and go right back to work.

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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    This was regulated too. At just what point will people learn government bureaucrats typically suck at their jobs?

    Is it the regulators or the ones getting regulated that suck at their jobs?

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    Re: Should prostitution be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Is it the regulators or the ones getting regulated that suck at their jobs?
    In this case both. That doesn't change the fact federal regulation fails us, often.
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