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Thread: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

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    National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    A political ideology cannot be bad or good. Albeit, we have never seen a good communist or National Socialist country, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ideologies are bad. National Socialism is an extreme love for ones country, and putting one's nation before oneself, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not a communist, Nazi, socialist, fascist, or anything like that though. It all depends on how said ideology is applied. There can be a tyrannical democracy and there can also be a fair authoritarian.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    I have no problem calling an ideology bad if it routinely has acts performed in its name that are within the normal scope of the ideology (meaning not some fringe element) that I consider to be grossly evil. In the cases of Fascism and Communism, performing mass murder in the name of an ideology is a grossly evil act.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have no problem calling an ideology bad if it routinely has acts performed in its name that are within the normal scope of the ideology (meaning not some fringe element) that I consider to be grossly evil. In the cases of Fascism and Communism, performing mass murder in the name of an ideology is a grossly evil act.
    Following that logic, Islam is a evil religion then?

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Guy View Post
    Following that logic, Islam is a evil religion then?
    I think the answer to that question depends on whether one thinks terrorism and other violence towards people is a part of the normal course or if those doing it are a fringe element. At this point, I am not sure. I see both sides of that debate as being possibly correct but no side being fully correct.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    National Socialism and Communism are bad because of what they cause. They cause the loss of humanity. One of the things that makes us human is our compulsion to help others. When the government takes over all aspects of life (food, housing, jobs, etc) the perceived need to help others turns to anger at the government's inability to provide the services they promised. They also cause the loss of freedoms. An atrocity so awful that it is worth fighting and dieing over.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    I agree with you that National Socialism and Communism have been tabooed, and that if run by a moral person, they wouldn't as bad as we stereotype them to be. But the question that, "Can a ideology be bad?" Absolutely it can. Nazism is a terrible ideology, so Stalinism and Moaism. Imperialism and other things are terrible things.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    I agree with you that National Socialism and Communism have been tabooed, and that if run by a moral person, they wouldn't as bad as we stereotype them to be. But the question that, "Can a ideology be bad?" Absolutely it can. Nazism is a terrible ideology, so Stalinism and Moaism. Imperialism and other things are terrible things.
    Imperialism is good though.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    I should think it would depend on your culture. From that perspective then, yes, national socialism and communism are bad. That, from my classical liberal perspective.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Guy View Post
    Imperialism is good though.
    Depending on your cultural perspective, yes, if your culture benefits from it. No, if it doesn't.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Guy View Post
    Imperialism is good though.
    How so? Is the wanting to conquer countries have have mass amounts of territories, stripping people of their individuality and sovereignty a good thing?
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