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Not personally, but everyone knows Americanization is global.
I'm done with you. You are ****ing brainwashed.
Not personally, but everyone knows Americanization is global.
... What it gods name ...
... What it gods name ...
America is great country though, we are the caretakers of freedom and democracy. If you don't like it, you can attempt to change the government peacefully, which is an American idea. Because the people are in control of America's government.
Prediction: the libertarians will descend on this guy!
Who me?? I didn't do nuttin'
Is mass murder expressly written into the ideologies of Fascism or Communism? I can vouch for Communism but I'm not terribly familiar with the exact nuts and bolts of Fascism, perhaps Kormir can provide more insight on that front.I have no problem calling an ideology bad if it routinely has acts performed in its name that are within the normal scope of the ideology (meaning not some fringe element) that I consider to be grossly evil. In the cases of Fascism and Communism, performing mass murder in the name of an ideology is a grossly evil act.
Senatus Populusque Romanus?America will always be #1
Never said they were, but we need to recognize their leadership as being so.I have a hard time with the idea that the populations of both Russia and China were a fringe minority.
Historically, in general, yes. Communism the same.Is mass murder expressly written into the ideologies of Fascism or Communism? I can vouch for Communism but I'm not terribly familiar with the exact nuts and bolts of Fascism, perhaps Kormir can provide more insight on that front.
I think we need to differentiate between an ideology and the people that follow/abuse it.
You...basically ignored my entire post which dealt with this.Communism is the same, only more subtle. In practice the communist nations relative to democratic/capitalist nations had a lot more human rights abuses, mass starvation, etc.
America will always be #1
The besetting sin of representative democracies is their desire for conquest and inability to treat others by it's own ideals. The US destroys or creates democracies depending on how useful it is for them, nothing to do with the ideal of democracy.
The US is the first dominant or imperialist power to be global and the first dominant or imperialist power to speak the language of democracy. The US's actions have put the whole idea, the language and institutions of democracy on trial.
Like any imperialist power you will have your day and then you will be out. That day is drawing near.
We should be more concerned about China's views on democracy.
Hoplite said:There is ZERO justification for the kind of Stalinist crackdowns and killings in the actual guts of the idea of Communism. These methods were how Stalin chose to deal with the problems associated with their particular situation, be they bad or good, they were not Communism.
Hoplite said:Never said they were, but we need to recognize their leadership as being so.
Extreme governments tend to attract two types of people; the wolves and coyotes. Wolves genuinely believe in the ideology and participate because of that belief. Coyotes participate because it's better to be on the inside of an extreme regime than the outside, they are there for benefits or protection.
I sincerely doubt that the majority of people within the government in places like North Korea or China are actually such hardliners, but it's dangerous NOT to be. What tends to happen is the same thing that happens in politics everywhere; a few hardliners lead the charge and others follow because they'll follow anything that feeds them or protects them. You may be a politician in North Korea, but do you really want to stick your neck out to try to change the system when you are as liable to get sent to a labor camp?
There was a line from A Man For All Seasons when King Henry is talking to Thomas More, "There are those like Norfolk who follow me because I wear the crown, those like Master Cromwell who follow me because they are jackals with sharp teeth and I'm their tiger, there's a mass that follows me because it follows anything that moves."
So it goes with extreme regimes.
You know that during the Stalin years there were systems in place where prisoners and workers of the GULAG system could voice complaints against conditions and against specific individuals, which actually did lead to some changes or prosecutions on a frequent basis.
It depends. Extremist ideologies are bad (those that say kill the infidels/non-believers). However, socialism and communism aren't inherently evil for what they stand for. They have just been executed by evil people.
Communism doesn't kill people, just evil......communist......people.....kil.....:roll:
Be that as it may, I think we can agree that the Soviet system was far from ideal and it took roads that any system designed to work for the people should not take.You know that during the Stalin years there were systems in place where prisoners and workers of the GULAG system could voice complaints against conditions and against specific individuals, which actually did lead to some changes or prosecutions on a frequent basis.
Communism is an ideology. It doesn't kill people. Those who have tried to enforce that ideology have done so through the shedding of blood. However, the communist ideology does not kill people.
Nope, hadn't heard of that one. Did you hear the one about stalin killing off some millions upon millions of his compadres thru purges, torture, gulags, and incompetence in running the war tho? Didja' hear that one?
Be that as it may, I think we can agree that the Soviet system was far from ideal and it took roads that any system designed to work for the people should not take.
Extremism is the problem.A political ideology cannot be bad or good. Albeit, we have never seen a good communistKarl Marx's philosophy was only partially employed by the communists or National Socialist country, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ideologies are bad. National Socialism is an extreme love for ones country, and putting one's nation before oneself, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Extremism is not a good thing.I'm not a communist, Nazi, socialist, fascist, or anything like that though. It all depends on how said ideology is applied. There can be a tyrannical democracy and there can also be a fair authoritarian.Very difficult but possible
Yeah, I picked up on that point. Communism, marxism, ect... was/is an economic model, that doesn't work. That's just about all it is.