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National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

Can an idealogy be bad?

  • no

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • yes

    Votes: 22 71.0%
  • depends (let me explain)

    Votes: 6 19.4%

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A political ideology cannot be bad or good. Albeit, we have never seen a good communist or National Socialist country, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ideologies are bad. National Socialism is an extreme love for ones country, and putting one's nation before oneself, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not a communist, Nazi, socialist, fascist, or anything like that though. It all depends on how said ideology is applied. There can be a tyrannical democracy and there can also be a fair authoritarian.
 
I have no problem calling an ideology bad if it routinely has acts performed in its name that are within the normal scope of the ideology (meaning not some fringe element) that I consider to be grossly evil. In the cases of Fascism and Communism, performing mass murder in the name of an ideology is a grossly evil act.
 
I have no problem calling an ideology bad if it routinely has acts performed in its name that are within the normal scope of the ideology (meaning not some fringe element) that I consider to be grossly evil. In the cases of Fascism and Communism, performing mass murder in the name of an ideology is a grossly evil act.

Following that logic, Islam is a evil religion then?
 
Following that logic, Islam is a evil religion then?

I think the answer to that question depends on whether one thinks terrorism and other violence towards people is a part of the normal course or if those doing it are a fringe element. At this point, I am not sure. I see both sides of that debate as being possibly correct but no side being fully correct.
 
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National Socialism and Communism are bad because of what they cause. They cause the loss of humanity. One of the things that makes us human is our compulsion to help others. When the government takes over all aspects of life (food, housing, jobs, etc) the perceived need to help others turns to anger at the government's inability to provide the services they promised. They also cause the loss of freedoms. An atrocity so awful that it is worth fighting and dieing over.
 
I agree with you that National Socialism and Communism have been tabooed, and that if run by a moral person, they wouldn't as bad as we stereotype them to be. But the question that, "Can a ideology be bad?" Absolutely it can. Nazism is a terrible ideology, so Stalinism and Moaism. Imperialism and other things are terrible things.
 
I agree with you that National Socialism and Communism have been tabooed, and that if run by a moral person, they wouldn't as bad as we stereotype them to be. But the question that, "Can a ideology be bad?" Absolutely it can. Nazism is a terrible ideology, so Stalinism and Moaism. Imperialism and other things are terrible things.

Imperialism is good though.
 
I should think it would depend on your culture. From that perspective then, yes, national socialism and communism are bad. That, from my classical liberal perspective.
 
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Imperialism is good though.

How so? Is the wanting to conquer countries have have mass amounts of territories, stripping people of their individuality and sovereignty a good thing?
 
I should think it would depend on your culture. From that perspective then, yes, national socialism and communism are bad.

Culture has more to do with it than most people realize. In fact, the biggest reason we ask these kinds of question is because the majority of us were born in a country where the culture taught us that certain things are important and good and communism or fascism does not contain those things. If we were born in some Viking village in the year 600, we would be concerned with completely different things and these kinds of questions would never be considered.
 
How so? Is the wanting to conquer countries have have mass amounts of territories, stripping people of their individuality and sovereignty a good thing?

As long as it's done for the right reasons. :mrgreen:
 
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Culture has more to do with it than most people realize. In fact, the biggest reason we ask these kinds of question is because the majority of us were born in a country where the culture taught us that certain things are important and good and communism or fascism does not contain those things. If we were born in some Viking village in the year 600, we would be concerned with completely different things and these kinds of questions would never be considered.

Exactly, we'd be prioritizing loot and women.
 
As long as it's done for the right reasons. :mrgreen:

And what would you consider a good reason to invade and eternally occupy a country?
 
And what would you consider a good reason to invade and eternally occupy a country?

From a cultural perspective, the ability to have access to those resources that benefit my people/culture.
 
How so? Is the wanting to conquer countries have have mass amounts of territories, stripping people of their individuality and sovereignty a good thing?

It benefits America.
 
Exactly, we'd be prioritizing loot and women.

Oh wait, we do that today :lol: (in a very different way of course)
 
It benefits America.

Your and Amercanist as it gets, I will not try to convince you of the evil your country is committing with undertaking all of these actions. The US has their hand in ever corner of the world raping everyone of their natural resources and right to be distinct. You don't see it now but soon (next 150-200 years) the whole planet will be American. Unless it's stopped.
 
Your and Amercanist as it gets, I will not try to convince you of the evil your country is committing with undertaking all of these actions. The US has their hand in ever corner of the world raping everyone of their natural resources and right to be distinct. You don't see it now but soon (next 150-200 years) the whole planet will be American. Unless it's stopped.

this is hilarious and idiotic at the same time

of course if you worship scum like Lenin I can understand the confusion
 
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