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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Guy View Post
    Not personally, but everyone knows Americanization is global.
    I'm done with you. You are ****ing brainwashed.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    ... What it gods name ...
    It's the future. A world government is what we need. There would be no more war or struggle. With a world government, we can pursue other interests, such as science and technology.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    ... What it gods name ...
    That's what I said....out loud....to my.....computer screen. Oh, bother.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Prediction: the libertarians will descend on this guy!

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Guy View Post
    America is great country though, we are the caretakers of freedom and democracy. If you don't like it, you can attempt to change the government peacefully, which is an American idea. Because the people are in control of America's government.
    The besetting sin of representative democracies is their desire for conquest and inability to treat others by it's own ideals. The US destroys or creates democracies depending on how useful it is for them, nothing to do with the ideal of democracy.

    The US is the first dominant or imperialist power to be global and the first dominant or imperialist power to speak the language of democracy. The US's actions have put the whole idea, the language and institutions of democracy on trial.

    Like any imperialist power you will have your day and then you will be out. That day is drawing near.

    We should be more concerned about China's views on democracy.
    George Monboit "Neoliberalism is inherently incompatible with democracy, as people will always rebel against the austerity and fiscal tyranny it prescribes. Something has to give, and it must be the people. This is the true road to serfdom: disinventing democracy on behalf of the elite."

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Prediction: the libertarians will descend on this guy!
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    America will always be #1

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Who me?? I didn't do nuttin'
    I wasn't referring to you. Generally libertarians have a very strong reaction to the concept of a unified world government (and for reasons I agree with)

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have no problem calling an ideology bad if it routinely has acts performed in its name that are within the normal scope of the ideology (meaning not some fringe element) that I consider to be grossly evil. In the cases of Fascism and Communism, performing mass murder in the name of an ideology is a grossly evil act.
    Is mass murder expressly written into the ideologies of Fascism or Communism? I can vouch for Communism but I'm not terribly familiar with the exact nuts and bolts of Fascism, perhaps Kormir can provide more insight on that front.

    I think we need to differentiate between an ideology and the people that follow/abuse it.

    IE: Communism.

    There is ZERO justification for the kind of Stalinist crackdowns and killings in the actual guts of the idea of Communism. These methods were how Stalin chose to deal with the problems associated with their particular situation, be they bad or good, they were not Communism.


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    See my last post

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    I have a hard time with the idea that the populations of both Russia and China were a fringe minority.

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