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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    There are FAR more people killing themselves for pennies every day in the world than there are Bill Gates'
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    The day people fall away from meritocracy is going to be ugly. Hopefully I'm dead.
    A meritocracy is like sex with someone fatter than you; it's only fun when you're on top.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    A meritocracy is like sex with someone fatter than you; it's only fun when you're on top.
    Meritocracry is probably rare in California as it is here in Illinois.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    The thought of living is a completely socialistic country is a very frightening thing to me. I'm not sure why you would want to live at an eqaul level with everyone else, and let the government have a parent role in your life. I mean, if things were truly like that, there is no incentive at all, and it would go downhill from that simple as that, especially in the long run. Your countrys innovation in technology would be so far behind. You don't see any of the greatest inventions and ideas coming from government bureaucracies do you?
    This statement is incredibly ignorant. The U.S space program wouldn't have existed without government initiative (and the brilliance of a few German scientists.) Another example of government spurring innovation is aviation:

    United States government role in civil aviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    history of flight (aviation) : From airmail to airlines in the United States -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

    I suppose now the FAA isn't needed, and NASA is just another massive government expenditure that needs to end so we can let private enterprise fill the space exploration gap and plunder the universe.

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    And socialists don't want to see everyone at an equal level. That's communism, bolshevism, or whatever you want to call it. Some of us just want to see the humongous gap between the middle-class and the leisure-class disappear. The wastrels at the upper stratum of the wealth pyramid need to learn what it means to actually work for a living instead of profiting off the work of others.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Interesting bump.


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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Guy View Post
    A political ideology cannot be bad or good. Albeit, we have never seen a good communist or National Socialist country, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ideologies are bad. National Socialism is an extreme love for ones country, and putting one's nation before oneself, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not a communist, Nazi, socialist, fascist, or anything like that though. It all depends on how said ideology is applied. There can be a tyrannical democracy and there can also be a fair authoritarian.
    "National Socialism" was Adolf Hitler's own brand of fascist doctrine, which inherently includes a phenogenetic policy. The extermination of inferior races in order to build one master race is inseparable from that, which makes it inherently bad. Not sure why you're including communism, the two had nothing to do with each other.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    In regards to the OP:
    National socialism and communism are just the same politically and from a social liberties standpoint.They both are totalitarian regimes.

    Economically, national socialism allows for the private sector to exist to some important degree where as in communism, it doesn't exist on any significant level. Which is something it shares, sort of, with the fascist ideology.

    That being said, fascism has less in common, but still very much, with national socialism than national socialism has with communism. But they are all totalitarian regimes. While it is true that Hitler himself, and Mussolini, applies the notions of meritocracy in their own governments and elected the people who were best suited for the job and didn't allow themselves to be swayed by nepotism or favors, it doesn't mean that the ideologies are similar. Just the people who were in charge.

    That being said, communism is the worst of the 2 because its total repression on all fronts and it doesn't allow for people to rise to the top except politically or through political influence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    "National Socialism" was Adolf Hitler's own brand of fascist doctrine, which inherently includes a phenogenetic policy. The extermination of inferior races in order to build one master race is inseparable from that, which makes it inherently bad. Not sure why you're including communism, the two had nothing to do with each other.
    meh, sort of right but not quite but also very, very wrong.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    In regards to the OP:
    National socialism and communism are just the same politically and from a social liberties standpoint.They both are totalitarian regimes.

    Economically, national socialism allows for the private sector to exist to some important degree where as in communism, it doesn't exist on any significant level. Which is something it shares, sort of, with the fascist ideology.

    That being said, fascism has less in common, but still very much, with national socialism than national socialism has with communism. But they are all totalitarian regimes. While it is true that Hitler himself, and Mussolini, applies the notions of meritocracy in their own governments and elected the people who were best suited for the job and didn't allow themselves to be swayed by nepotism or favors, it doesn't mean that the ideologies are similar. Just the people who were in charge.

    That being said, communism is the worst of the 2 because its total repression on all fronts and it doesn't allow for people to rise to the top except politically or through political influence.



    meh, sort of right but not quite but also very, very wrong.
    Communism and Nazism were enemies and the opposites of each other, other than that, no.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Communism and Nazism were enemies and the opposites of each other, other than that, no.
    I don't understand what you are saying. So what if they were enemies? it doesn't make them different. Were they not both totalitarian regimes which restricted civil rights of their people? The only real difference between nazism and communism is that nazism had allowed for the private sector to exist to some degree and permitted foreign investment.

    When the world was full of monarchs, and the entire world had monarchies... did monarchs not fight each other? I don't understand your position and it seems rather childish. Are you sure you are up to this discussion?

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I don't understand what you are saying. So what if they were enemies? it doesn't make them different. Were they not both totalitarian regimes which restricted civil rights of their people? The only real difference between nazism and communism is that nazism had allowed for the private sector to exist to some degree and permitted foreign investment.

    When the world was full of monarchs, and the entire world had monarchies... did monarchs not fight each other? I don't understand your position and it seems rather childish. Are you sure you are up to this discussion?
    If they were so ideologically similar, why would have Hitler and the NSDAP built their careers on bashing communists? The Moltov-Ribbentrop pact was broken for ideological reasons also. Yes, they were totalitarian, but their entire structures were different. For the National Socialists, they were centered on race, ethnicity, and the only aspect in which they were socialist were their names. For the Communists, everything was centered on class warfare and therefore, race and nationality need no matter.
    Only the major points. Also, I didn't like your last line. Not only does it sound pompous, it also sounds childish, as you accused me of.
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