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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I am assuming this post is a joke.
    If you don't understand it, I cannot explain it.



    Your attempted insult has no relevence to what it is in reply to.
    What insult?

    Well good on you to have discovered that the earliest democracies came from the Iran/Iraq regions. Showing off your knowledge on this does not change the reality that the US is the first dominant power which is global and which speaks the language of democracy.
    You haven't heard of the british empire? I find that....odd.





    Tienanmen Square is some time ago now. I am sorry you have no more recent idea of how things are in China which has changed enormously since this time. For many years they have been quieting the masses with talks that they are thinking over the best form of democracy. I understand they have come up with a concept called 'people's democracy' which I have not read but which has raised a few eyebrows.
    Why is it whenever people say things like this I get the feeling I have boots older than they are?

    At any rate they are not, in point of fact, "quieting the masses."
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    Social unrest is on the rise in China, according to an analysis by a Chinese think-tank.

    The country is grappling with more acute social problems than ever before, according to a report from the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

    Crime is also up, despite a nationwide campaign to shore up social stability.

    Although continued economic growth has provided a greater number of jobs, China has seen more social conflict in 2009 than before.

    The report on China's social trends sounds a stark warning to policy makers.

    The authors believe deep resentment has been accumulating over the past few decades against unfairness and power abuses by government officials at various levels.

    They quote six large-scale popular protests - from taxi strikes to unrest in central China in June - involving tens of thousands of people.

    This does not include the rioting in the north-western region of Xinjiang, where nearly 200 people were killed in early July........



    It looks more likely that instead of democracy they will continue as they did at Tienanmen Square and as they still do now. Ending protests with the police or army. The point was that it might do well to consider how a dominant world power with this frame of reference would influence the world.
    If the 20th century is anything to go by, they will affect it..........badly.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    But Stalinism and Moaism are the logical conclusion of a communist system.
    Lol, the logical conclusion.

    Were the people of Russia better off after the Czars were overthrown or were they better off after the U.S.S.R collapse?
    Actually, for some time they were better off after the Tsar was overthrown. And they were better off before the collapse of the USSR, just look at any standard of living index for that time period.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    The thought of living is a completely socialistic country is a very frightening thing to me. I'm not sure why you would want to live at an eqaul level with everyone else, and let the government have a parent role in your life. I mean, if things were truly like that, there is no incentive at all, and it would go downhill from that simple as that, especially in the long run. Your countrys innovation in technology would be so far behind. You don't see any of the greatest inventions and ideas coming from government bureaucracies do you? What happens when you run out of each others money?

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    The thought of living is a completely socialistic country is a very frightening thing to me. I'm not sure why you would want to live at an eqaul level with everyone else, and let the government have a parent role in your life. I mean, if things were truly like that, there is no incentive at all, and it would go downhill from that simple as that, especially in the long run. Your countrys innovation in technology would be so far behind. You don't see any of the greatest inventions and ideas coming from government bureaucracies do you? What happens when you run out of each others money?
    The more the individual contributes to the group, the more the group has to distribute among it's members. If someone is partaking of what the group has without offering anything or too little, they need to be asked to leave that group.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    The more the individual contributes to the group, the more the group has to distribute among it's members. If someone is partaking of what the group has without offering anything or too little, they need to be asked to leave that group.
    It doesn't work that way. Shortages and overall standards of living drop so dramatically that communal living arrangements (even large-scale national ones like the USSR and China) end up enacting laws that prohibit the emigration of individuals out of the commune. Individuals generally wish to flee communal-type arrangements because the benefits are extremely meager in contrast to the opportunity that lies elsewhere. If everyone is suppose to work hard for the benefit of the colony, very few actually work to their potential. So, to demand that all "lazy" individuals leave the commune would likely see the majority of individuals leave voluntarily. Hence, the trend among many socialist countries to prohibit emigration. The first individuals to leave such a situation, in most cases, are the wealthy and the educated. The result is a massive brain drain and the disappearance of many wealthy patrons who otherwise could afford to pay taxes that others simply could not.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    The more the individual contributes to the group, the more the group has to distribute among it's members. If someone is partaking of what the group has without offering anything or too little, they need to be asked to leave that group.
    Relying on other to help acquire your basic necessitation of life, sounds like a really good plan.....apparently you trust the majority of people you know...I know ill stick to relying on my hard work ethic. And if you keep booting people from the group eventually you'll have nothing left, or a few members left with all the resources, then you're back to the capitalist like principles, and you obviously don't want that now do ya?

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    It doesn't work that way. Shortages and overall standards of living drop so dramatically that communal living arrangements (even large-scale national ones like the USSR and China) end up enacting laws that prohibit the emigration of individuals out of the commune. Individuals generally wish to flee communal-type arrangements because the benefits are extremely meager in contrast to the opportunity that lies elsewhere. If everyone is suppose to work hard for the benefit of the colony, very few actually work to their potential. So, to demand that all "lazy" individuals leave the commune would likely see the majority of individuals leave voluntarily. Hence, the trend among many socialist countries to prohibit emigration. The first individuals to leave such a situation, in most cases, are the wealthy and the educated. The result is a massive brain drain and the disappearance of many wealthy patrons who otherwise could afford to pay taxes that others simply could not.
    If a commune cannot adequately provide for itself, then it dies. Is this such a radical notion?

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Relying on other to help acquire your basic necessitation of life, sounds like a really good plan.....apparently you trust the majority of people you know...I know ill stick to relying on my hard work ethic.
    If you work together, you can have more. Working for yourself means you'll work harder for less.

    And if you keep booting people from the group eventually you'll have nothing left, or a few members left with all the resources, then you're back to the capitalist like principles, and you obviously don't want that now do ya?
    Not true. Not everyone in the world is a lazy slob.
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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    It is bad. It can be created with all the best intents in the world. But in the end, the people are not free and never were.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    If you work together, you can have more. Working for yourself means you'll work harder for less.
    Not true. Not everyone in the world is a lazy slob.
    Working for yourself means you'll work harder for less? What society do you live in...tell that to Bill Gates.

    And it is true, comparing it to what he said....and I never said that, don't put words in my mouth.

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    Re: National Socialism and Communism AREN'T necessarily bad

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Working for yourself means you'll work harder for less? What society do you live in...tell that to Bill Gates.
    There are FAR more people killing themselves for pennies every day in the world than there are Bill Gates'
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