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    26 27.96%
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Thread: Wikileaks

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Part of it yes but not the whole. Majority is that they strive for transparent governments.
    More precisely, they strive to influence governments to do what they want them to do.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    What is your opinion on them?
    WikiLeaks is like all groups with a point of view; they can take things too far. But, I think their basic premise is correct — that the more we know the better off we are.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    More precisely, they strive to influence governments to do what they want them to do.
    Isn't that the point of democracy? Of politics?

    I know that I wish I had the power to persuade the government to do what I wanted it to do. I want the government to reward my friends and punish my enemies. I want the government to implement policies that I think are good for the American people-- our people. I want to remake the government in my own image and use it to imprint that image on the blank face of society. I question the motives of any person who claims otherwise.

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Isn't that the point of democracy? Of politics?

    I know that I wish I had the power to persuade the government to do what I wanted it to do. I want the government to reward my friends and punish my enemies. I want the government to implement policies that I think are good for the American people-- our people. I want to remake the government in my own image and use it to imprint that image on the blank face of society. I question the motives of any person who claims otherwise.
    Of course. The difference is that you openly admit that, while wikileaks and its naive supporters claim that they're just an altruistic organization trying to serve some neutral interest, like "transparency."

    I'm not criticizing them for the fact that they want to influence government, I'm criticizing them for:

    1) The way in which they are seeking to exercise that influence, and
    2) Their misguided and ultimately dangerous aims
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Of course. The difference is that you openly admit that, while wikileaks and its naive supporters claim that they're just an altruistic organization trying to serve some neutral interest, like "transparency."
    Everyone likes to think that the majority-- the "silent" majority-- would agree with them and support their causes if given the right information. WikiLeaks is just doing something about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not criticizing them for the fact that they want to influence government, I'm criticizing them for:

    1) The way in which they are seeking to exercise that influence, and
    2) Their misguided and ultimately dangerous aims
    Can't say as I have any argument with you there.

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Interesting, so you two wish that WikiLeaks would be a little more revealing about their own purposes. Seems to me like it's pretty obvious what they're about but whatever.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Interesting, so you two wish that WikiLeaks would be a little more revealing about their own purposes. Seems to me like it's pretty obvious what they're about but whatever.
    No, I wish they'd die in a fire. Being honest about their attempts to manipulate the government doesn't change the very real damage they are doing to our foreign policy goals.

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Interesting, so you two wish that WikiLeaks would be a little more revealing about their own purposes.
    No, I'm saying that I wish wikileaks would close up shop and that I wish its (generally naive) supporters would open up their eyes and stop bleating about how this is all part of their divine mission to fight the man, man.

    Seems to me like it's pretty obvious what they're about but whatever.
    They claim to be all about transparency and not to have any hidden agendas.
    In reality, they're an activist group that operates to push a viewpoint.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    ...that it's not surprising that you like wikileaks?
    Just to make the point I am a far lefty and I hate WIkiLeaks.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just to make the point I am a far lefty and I hate WIkiLeaks.
    Fair, it's mostly the "I'm anti-western" that I think serves as a good proxy for "I support wikileaks."
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