View Poll Results: What do you think of Wikileaks and Julian Assange?

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    26 27.96%
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is the other big question. This is what the government is investigating right now. Not you, not I, not Kal'stang, not even Vauge know what the substance of those chats are. Any one saying yes he committed crimes or no he did not are being very premature.
    I wouldn't say that I am being premature. I am just basing what I say on what facts are presented to me. Since in America a person is suppose to be presumed innocent until proven guilty my line of thought is currently valid. If Assaunge is ever convicted of conspiracy to leak classified information and the evidence is overwhelming then believe me, I will support him being jailed. But until then I will follow the dictates of part of what makes America...America.

    Also regardless of what happens to Assaunge I will still support wikileaks stated goals on thier about page. One bad apple doesn't mean you throw the whole basket out. If people want to lable me "anti-western" for doing so then so be it. I care not one iota what people call me. There's a reason that I claim "Independent" below my name here.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait what? You like what they are doing but despise what they are doing?
    I like everything but the part where they screwed the pooch spreading sensitive US intelligence data. That is NOT acceptable. They should be in prison for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I like everything but the part where they screwed the pooch spreading sensitive US intelligence data. That is NOT acceptable. They should be in prison for that.
    In otherwords they were just fine spilling everyone elses secrets...just don't do it to the US.
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    Well...at least you get credit for honesty. Thank you.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Agreed. So between your points and my points why is it that you tried to bring in wikileaks security protocols into this?
    The difference between our positions is that you're arguing that someone gets special legal privileges simply because they fit some arbitrary definition of "the press." That's not what the freedom of the press is - it protects activities, not people. If a "journalist" commits a crime, he goes to jail like everyone else.

    Plausible and probable do not constitute facts.
    Which is why I haven't yet filed charges against Assange. However, the government is looking into it, and as I said, I would wager that they end up bringing charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The difference between our positions is that you're arguing that someone gets special legal privileges simply because they fit some arbitrary definition of "the press." That's not what the freedom of the press is - it protects activities, not people. If a "journalist" commits a crime, he goes to jail like everyone else.
    From my POV they're not special privledges and no crime has been committed. At least none that we have proof for. As already stated the only possible crime that could come out of this is the conspiracy charge. Which affects the person itself and not the organization. If conspiracy charges are brought up then no 1st amendment would apply as conspiracy to commit a crime is a whole different ball field. Espionage could come out of it IF and only IF the conspiracy charge sticks in a court of law. However if the conpiracy charge does not stick then any other charge would fall under the 1st amendment protections of free press. Judging by the way past courts have ruled on the different versions of free press it is not hard to imagine that it would be exanded to include web pages. In fact I would even go so far as to say that it is a given.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Which is why I haven't yet filed charges against Assange. However, the government is looking into it, and as I said, I would wager that they end up bringing charges.
    The question now becomes..."will the charges stick"? Will he be found guilty? Don't know. Until he is though I am going to assume that he is innocent and go from there.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    From my POV they're not special privledges and no crime has been committed. At least none that we have proof for. As already stated the only possible crime that could come out of this is the conspiracy charge. Which affects the person itself and not the organization. If conspiracy charges are brought up then no 1st amendment would apply as conspiracy to commit a crime is a whole different ball field. Espionage could come out of it IF and only IF the conspiracy charge sticks in a court of law.
    This is all correct, but I think you're underestimating the impact that these conspiracy charges would have/the likelihood of charges eventually being brought.


    However if the conpiracy charge does not stick then any other charge would fall under the 1st amendment protections of free press. Judging by the way past courts have ruled on the different versions of free press it is not hard to imagine that it would be exanded to include web pages. In fact I would even go so far as to say that it is a given.
    This really isn't the issue, and I'm not sure how the discussion has turned to this. The question of whether wikileaks published its information on a website, in a pamphlet, or in a newspaper has absolutely nothing to do with the legality of these individuals' actions. Again, the first amendment is not concerned with the method of conveyance so much as it is concerned with the content of that conveyance. Moreover, the first amendment protects the publication of news and limited forms of newsgathering. It does not protect anyone from punishment for commission of a crime, be it conspiracy or another crime.

    The question now becomes..."will the charges stick"? Will he be found guilty? Don't know. Until he is though I am going to assume that he is innocent and go from there.
    That's fine, but I'm not a juror, so I don't feel at all bad about assuming that some of the people at wikileaks broke the law.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    But Wikileaks has committed no crime. They are not US citizens.
    neither is a VBIED facilitator. both, however, are ultimately working for the same side and both ultimately deserve the same fate.

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Manning should spend the rest of his life at Ft. Leavenworth. Even though wiki leaks didn't directly hack to get these files they should be tried for espionage for releasing them on the internet. No they are not Martyrs what so ever. They more like just group people that believe they can bring down the "Big, Bad USA" by releasing our secrets .

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Manning should spend the rest of his life at Ft. Leavenworth. Even though wiki leaks didn't directly hack to get these files they should be tried for espionage for releasing them on the internet. No they are not Martyrs what so ever. They more like just group people that believe they can bring down the "Big, Bad USA" by releasing our secrets .
    They have no specific agenda against any nation last I checked.

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Also did 41 people vote for 'cold blooded terrorists'?

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