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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Wikileaks had systems in place to facilitate the secure transfer of this information. I don't think he just emailed it to them from his yahoo account.
    The secure setup is in place to protect thier informants. Something which the courts have stated the news media is allowed to do. Protect thier sources.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This I will look into but from what I gather Manning never even met Assaunge personally or knew who Assaunge was when Manning first started leaking information. Manning had to look through other files in order to find out who Assaunge was. I'll look it up later. Just too tired to do so now.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not saying that everyone at wikileaks will go to jail because of that one leak. I'm saying that if everyone at wikileaks who got involved in this ends up going to jail, there won't be many people who will be eager to continue breaking the law.
    It will just teach them to not conspire directly. Assuming others even did in the first place. Nothing will really change.

    Edit note to clairify: Manning had never met Assaunge physically. Only talked to him via chat channels. (as far as I am aware) but even if he had this does not mean that they talked about how to commit a crime.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would depend on whether Assange is considered part of the press. And we have now come back full circle.
    With which you never responded to one of my questions. In case you missed it i'll ask again.

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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not saying that Lamo worked for Wikileaks. I'm saying that courtesy of the Lamo conversations, we know that Manning and Assange had contacts. As I said, I would wager that the contacts went beyond simply handing something over, which could lead to criminal charges.
    Just found this while trying to solidify my argument.
    "Manning reportedly told ex-hacker Adrian Lamo that he had developed a relationship with Assange over many months, according to transcripts posted by BoingBoing and Wired.com over the summer. Lamo told CNET that the transcripts were accurate, but that he doesn't have the computer equipment on which it was saved because the FBI had taken it."
    Assange Legal Case Could Hang on Contradiction - World Watch - CBS News

    You are right, if the above is true - that would be conspiracy and my argument would be flawed. But, it is currently hearsay and conjecture.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    With which you never responded to one of my questions. In case you missed it i'll ask again.

    How is a pamphlet any different from a webpage beyond that of one being electronical and one being on paper.
    I can create web content for no cost out of pocket. I cannot create a pamphlet for no cost.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The secure setup is in place to protect thier informants. Something which the courts have stated the news media is allowed to do. Protect thier sources.
    There's a difference between protecting sources and conspiring to commit crimes.

    This I will look into but from what I gather Manning never even met Assaunge personally or knew who Assaunge was when Manning first started leaking information. Manning had to look through other files in order to find out who Assaunge was. I'll look it up later. Just too tired to do so now.

    Edit note to clairify: Manning had never met Assaunge physically. Only talked to him via chat channels. (as far as I am aware) but even if he had this does not mean that they talked about how to commit a crime.
    And like I said, it seems plausible or even probable that their discussions involved things that constitute crimes.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And like I said, it seems plausible or even probably that their discussions involved things that constitute crimes.
    This is the other big question. This is what the government is investigating right now. Not you, not I, not Kal'stang, not even Vauge know what the substance of those chats are. Any one saying yes he committed crimes or no he did not are being very premature.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Although I like what they are doing I DESPISE that they leaked sensitive government data!!!! For that they should go to jail.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Although I like what they are doing I DESPISE that they leaked sensitive government data!!!! For that they should go to jail.
    Wait what? You like what they are doing but despise what they are doing?
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I can create web content for no cost out of pocket. I cannot create a pamphlet for no cost.
    It has already been shown that wikileaks pays for the server space to host thier site. Along with other charges. That was the reason that Assuange agreed to a book deal. To pay for the expenses that wikileaks has incurred. So the no cost claim is invalidated. Besides..free press is just another expansion of free speech. It doesn't cost anything to talk. IE rights do not have costs requirements to have said rights.
    Last edited by Kal'Stang; 01-22-11 at 10:20 PM.
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    Re: Wikileaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There's a difference between protecting sources and conspiring to commit crimes.
    Agreed. So between your points and my points why is it that you tried to bring in wikileaks security protocols into this?

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    And like I said, it seems plausible or even probable that their discussions involved things that constitute crimes.
    Plausible and probable do not constitute facts.
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