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The JFK poll

Which of the following choices is MORE true

  • More American's want their country to do more for them

    Votes: 24 82.8%

  • More American's want to do more for their country

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
Barbbtx said:
Nothing is free. Somebody is paying for your health care. If not out of your check, than it's out of your neighbor's check.
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Do I really care? Do I care I pay for Welfare pays? Do I care I pay for Medicare? No, it's all for the greater good of Canada. Some people need welfare or they'd be on the streets. Fine take my money, they need it more. If they get the flu, and if the lived in the US, they wouldn't be able to pay for that basic care. Fine, take my money, they need it more. If I need to have an emergency visit to the hospital I apperciate the fact that the government will pay for it. Through me paying them.

The fact that the government takes my money then puts it back towards me is something I like. I assures I have those services. While you may not like it, we Canadians wouldn't know what to do without it.
 
I voted other, I don't want anything paid for by income taxed by others, nor do I want mine taxed. The only thing I want from my countrymen is the defense of my rights, and the only thing they should expect of me is to fight and die (if need-be) defending theirs.

Anything else I do or give is by choice, as it ought to be.
 
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Barbbtx said:
Didn't I hear a while back that some place in Canada they held a lottery? If you were lucky enough to get your name drawn you got a doctor?
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There is no shortage of doctors, thats just biased.
 
Juiposa said:
There is no shortage of doctors, thats just biased.
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So this is all a lie?

Watch the video. It's sad how they are drawing names for lucky people.
So, Canada has "free" healthcare for all. Yet 5 million people have no doctor and things are getting worse.

Video: Canada’s health-care lottery « Hot Air

Why aren’t there more family-practice physicians? Canada’s provincial governments had to cut their spending on health care, which drove the doctors out of the system. Thanks to a lack of competition, no other supply can come to market, which eventually leads to this kind of rationing.
 
Barbbtx said:
So this is all a lie?

Watch the video. It's sad how they are drawing names for lucky people.
So, Canada has "free" healthcare for all. Yet 5 million people have no doctor and things are getting worse.

Video: Canada’s health-care lottery « Hot Air

Why aren’t there more family-practice physicians? Canada’s provincial governments had to cut their spending on health care, which drove the doctors out of the system. Thanks to a lack of competition, no other supply can come to market, which eventually leads to this kind of rationing.
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Even though many people don't have a family practitioner, we all still have health care. Unlike Americans.

47 Million Americans Without Health Insurance, Census Report

Wao. 47'000'000 with no healthcare what so ever. Read it.

Also many people don't have a family doctor because either, they don't want one, or have never thought about having one. Agian, there, is, no, shortage.
 
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Barbbtx said:
So this is all a lie?

Watch the video. It's sad how they are drawing names for lucky people.
So, Canada has "free" healthcare for all. Yet 5 million people have no doctor and things are getting worse.

Video: Canada’s health-care lottery « Hot Air

Why aren’t there more family-practice physicians? Canada’s provincial governments had to cut their spending on health care, which drove the doctors out of the system. Thanks to a lack of competition, no other supply can come to market, which eventually leads to this kind of rationing.
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Doctor shortage: Have you had trouble accessing a doctor? - Point of View
I guess the CBC is lying too...
Northern provinces are suffering from a critical shortage of doctors compared to their neighbours in southern Canada, according to a Conference Board of Canada report.
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The region with the most dire physician numbers per capita was found to be Northern Saskatchewan, which had just three doctors per 10,000 people, according to the map.

Nunavut was next lowest, with only one doctor per 2,000 population, followed by Northern Newfoundland and Labrador (one per 1,250 patients), Northern Alberta (one doctor per 1,000 patients) and Northern Manitoba (one doctor per 909 patients). However, the Yukon appeared to have an abnormally high number of physicians, with one for every 268 people - the highest ratio of doctors in Canada.

By comparison, Southern Ontario had one doctor for every 417 people and Southern Quebec had one doctor for every 384 patients.
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"In a much quoted passage in his inaugural address, President Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic "what your country can do for you" implies that government is the patron, the citizen the ward, a view that is at odds with the free man's belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, "what you can do for your 'country" implies the government is the master or the deity, the citizen, the servant or the votary.

To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served. He recognizes no national goal except as it is the consensus of the goals that the citizens severally serve. He recognizes no national purpose except as it is the consensus of the purposes for which the citizens severally strive.

The free man will ask neither what his country can do for him nor what he can do for his country. He will ask rather "What can I and my compatriots do through government" to help us discharge our individual responsibilities, to achieve our several goals and purposes, and above all, to protect our freedom? And he will accompany this question with another: How can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frankenstein that will destroy the very freedom we establish it to protect?

-Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom
 
In my opinion most americans are willing to do more for their country if they know that they will get more from their country in return. Its reciprical.
 
TurtleDude said:
The entitlement mentality had not become part of the DNA
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Nor had the "what's mine is mine and I don't want to give anything to my country" mentality that is prevalent among the right-wing today.
 
Barbbtx said:
Didn't I hear a while back that some place in Canada they held a lottery? If you were lucky enough to get your name drawn you got a doctor?
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That's just right-wing propoganda. Let me guess...you heard it on FAUXNews?
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Until something is actually done, this statement is full of more **** than an Obama speech.


As for the poll at hand, I want the country (which in JFK's case is to mean government) to leave me the **** alone.
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You have it completely within your own power to make that happen for you. But you don't.
 
Juiposa said:
Even though many people don't have a family practitioner, we all still have health care. Unlike Americans.

47 Million Americans Without Health Insurance, Census Report

Wao. 47'000'000 with no healthcare what so ever. Read it.

Also many people don't have a family doctor because either, they don't want one, or have never thought about having one. Agian, there, is, no, shortage.
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You are wrong. Everyone in America has health care. They cannot be turned away at the emergency rooms. We also I have free clinics. What they are lacking is health care insurance. I don't have insurance but I go to my doctor on a regular basis. It's called self-pay.
We need healthcare reform but we do not need to go the way of Canada or Mass.
 
Barbbtx said:
You are wrong. Everyone in America has health care.
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This is false. If you do not have money, you do not have health care.
 
disneydude said:
This nation has ALWAYS been multi-cultural. Its just that some prefer some cultures over others.
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We were always multi-racial. There was a time when immigrants were expected to assimilate.
 
Dutch said:
...There was a time when immigrants were expected to assimilate.
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Not any more. Assimilation died at the hands of the American left. Assimilation was replaced by multi-culturalism. Multi-culturalism means the death of American unity. It is what it is. The past can't be restored.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Not any more. Assimilation died at the hands of the American left. Assimilation was replaced by multi-culturalism. Multi-culturalism means the death of American unity. It is what it is. The past can't be restored.
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I agree with you.
 
ElijahGalt said:
I just went to a free Islamic clinic that serviced me without payment.
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Sure. That's not health care though. Try getting them to give you open heart surgery when you have no money. Then get back to me.
 
Dutch said:
We were always multi-racial. There was a time when immigrants were expected to assimilate.
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Or forced. Whatever suits the revisionists I guess.
 
So that we now mostly agree that Americans want their country to do more for them; and, we all believe in our representative democracy where the people's will should guide the nation, then, we should all seek to better understand how our country can do more for its people in a fiscally responsible manner.
 
Hatuey said:
Sure. That's not health care though. Try getting them to give you open heart surgery when you have no money. Then get back to me.
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Of course it is health care. And you can't reasonably expect the most difficult and complicated surgery to be free of charge for everyone. The vast majority of Americans can afford to pay for their own insurance and it is reasonable to expect charity to cover the rest. After all, Medicaid is a form of taxpayer-funded charity. It is simply a very inefficient and wasteful charity system.
 
Juiposa said:
I understand you position but I still think Americans whine more than act.

Also, I don't understand why so many people are agianst Nationalised Health Care? Free visits to the doctor is amazing. I don't know why you Americans reject it! Obamacare is the first step forward to that.
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Nothing is free. We have tried free in the past 40-years, we have tried programs that shift wealth around like one of those shell games on the promenade... it's why we have 13,000,000,000,000 little problems in less than a half century.

Also... Why the Pierre Trudeau reference? Really? He was a better leader than any other Canadian PM will ever be.
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Why?
Because the referencee is fitting. Both are little Red arrogant leftists.
Of course you would say "he was better than any other Kanuckistani PM"... because you're a Commi sympathizer, and for that bit of honesty in your signature line... I thank you. Most of your ilk on DP cower when confronted with their true selves.

Juiposa said:
There is no shortage of doctors, thats just biased.
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Well, yes... you are biased, or perhaps blind.

This is bad news for patients like Jennifer. Today, five million Canadians are without a family doctor. A 2005 survey found that just 23 per cent of Canadians were able to see a physician the same day they needed one -
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0013191
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December 3, 2010.

there remains a wide divide between the number of doctors and Canadians, national research released Thursday suggested.
http://www.canada.com/health/More+p...ortage+still+evident+Study/3918826/story.html
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