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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

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    Britain, the War of 1812 was not a war that went well for the US.
    Ahhhhhh.... the US won. We beat out the invaders and crushed their alliances with the Indians. We 100% won! We showed the world that the US of A is a force to be reckoned with too.
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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    Some Canadians think the British won the War of 1812. The War of 1812

    They know little.

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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    There was no "winner". The treaty of Ghent went back to pre-war boundaries. The result was that the U.S. showed itself capable of defending itself against the British and Canada capable of defending itself against the U.S. Nobody was pleased about spending a large bit of money and lives for maintaining the status quo.
    For everything that happened, the USA got the best deal. We established ourselves as an independent country in the eyes of the British, we gained some war heroes (one of which became a notable President) and the North's industry really took off.
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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    Canada ehh

    We burned down the White House
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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Canada ehh

    We burned down the White House
    Americans always assumed it was His Majesty's Royal Army and Navy that effected the pyrotechnics destroying much of the City of Washington, D. C. Now we are told who to blame........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAYMJnO9LBQ

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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Americans always assumed it was His Majesty's Royal Army and Navy that effected the pyrotechnics destroying much of the City of Washington, D. C. Now we are told who to blame........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAYMJnO9LBQ
    That is awesome, I'm actually going to take the time today to watch all of that movie.
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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

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    Who Won or Lost the War of 1812?
    Washington had expected the largely American population of Upper Canada to throw off the "British yoke" as soon as its army crossed the border. This did not happen. Lured northwards by free land and low taxes, the settlers wanted to be left alone. Thus the British and Loyalist elite were able to set Canadians on a different course from that of their former enemy. And the growing belief that they, the civilian soldiers, and not the First Nations and British regulars, had won the war - more mythic than real - helped to germinate the seeds of nationalism in the Canadas. Canada owes its present shape to negotiations that grew out of the peace, while the war itself - or the myths created by the war - gave Canadians their first sense of community and laid the foundation for their future nationhood. To this extent the Canadians were the real winners of the War of 1812.

    For the Americans, the outcome was more ambiguous. Since the issues of impressment and maritime rights were not dealt with in the peace, that motivation for war could be considered a failure, despite some spectacular victories at sea, which were indicators of the future potential of American power. Also, the war was a failure for the "War Hawks," who coveted the annexation of Canada. This proved not to be militarily feasible. The conclusions that the war was a "second war of independence' or a war of honour and respect are less easy to judge.
    now if you want to talk losers
    If the winners are qualified, the losers are easier to identify. The death of Tecumseh and the defeat of the First Nations at the Battle of the Thames broke apart Tecumseh's confederacy. Similarly, in the related defeat of the Creek Nation, the hope of halting American expansion into First Nations territory effectively ended. While in Canada the First Nations fared better in preserving their land and culture; in the end the British abandoned their Aboriginal allies in the peace, just as they had several times before.
    Much like at the end of the Vietnam War when the US abandoned the South government to the North leading to it's downfall and take over. The British did much of the same thing with it's American Indian allies leading to the take over of the west and the sense of Manifest Destiny.

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    And not to nitpick or anything but "Canada itself" is not valid due to fact Canada did not have independence until the passing of the British North America Act in 1867. That like saying the US itself won the French and Indian War / Seven Years' War.

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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Britain, the War of 1812 was not a war that went well for the US.
    The logical purpose of war is power, either in a land grab or political influence.
    England did not gain any more than we did in our foreign adventures.
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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    Depends on your conception of victory. The United States didn't capture Canada (its outlined strategic objective) and had its own capital burned in the counter attack, whereas the British/Canadians kept Canada, their outlined strategic objective.

    However, the United States established itself as formidable enough that Britain/Canada were obliged to cede a large portion of their territorial stakes in North America to U.S. ambition, as the growth of U.S. power proved pursuing those interests was no longer a viable option.

    Indeed, it is possible not capturing Canada while acquiring those rights served our nation far better than capturing Canada (occupation is a huge drain of will, energy, and resources).

    I would say it was a minor strategic loss and a significant symbolic victory for the United States.
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    Re: Who won the War of 1812?

    The US was devestated in many ways, ie.. the losses in Canada and the destruction of Washington DC, etc...but in the end won the war. Another excellent book on the war is 1812: The War That Forged a Nation (P.S.) by Walter R. Borneman.

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