View Poll Results: Which of these things would improve education in the US?

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  • Longer school days

    14 16.47%
  • Longer school years

    31 36.47%
  • Better pay for teachers

    29 34.12%
  • More charter schools

    27 31.76%
  • More public vouchers for private schools

    34 40.00%
  • Weakening teachers' unions

    42 49.41%
  • More funding

    31 36.47%
  • Reallocation of funding (e.g. on a state level instead of on a district level)

    27 31.76%
  • Firing teachers who fail to perform to the standards the school board expects

    50 58.82%
  • More online education, replacing some brick-and-mortar schools

    17 20.00%
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I won't argue with this, but how do we actually hold the parents responsible and affectively? I can't see the government solving the problem of parental irresponsibility...
    since most of the underperforming kids come from the lower socioeconomic bracket and many of them are on some kind of govt entitlement, simply tie their kid's performance to the amount of their check. you can guarantee that if mommy starts losing $$$ because junior is screwing off at school she will quickly jerk a knot in his ass.

    a technique I used was to call mommy or daddy at work every time one of my problem students gave me a hard time. I found that after a few calls, the boss got tired of mom/dad being interupted at work. mom/dad got tired of getting chewed on by the boss and lit a fire under junior's ass.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Patriot Act: 1) Growing consensus internally about its usefulness in combating current and future threats 2) Sometimes Government enjoys having new powers and responsibilities (other times they do not: see early years of our intelligence agencies and congressional oversight).

    Tea Party on Patriot Act: Economic issues take importance, and most if not all Tea Party groups like to stay on message. Expanding risks a splintering of the movement (see Tocqueville, the NRA, and NAACP's earlier past about near-schism regarding NAACP Black/White relations and its funding sources). Splintering movements mean less strength, and less strength means difficulty in getting political change.

    Tea Party on No Child Left Behind: Above & perhaps acceptance of no removal of Dept. of Education or NCLB. Accountability, vouchers, and merit pay (as vague as the slogans can be) are seen as more realistic or accepted than many other discussions. Further, it can't hurt to have near universal opinion siding with "standards" and "accountability"-just have the Devil be in the details. If there is one thing that is for certain..most people in this country think the education system in the US is in trouble, the problem is that no one can really agree upon why. No Child Left Behind satisfied the 20 year demand for "standards" and "accountability" from both parties. It's a political reality now. Tweaking it one direction or another is now the game.
    Those are good points Fiddy... but when I talk to the TP people here, they don't just focus on economic issues. They seem to focus more on the Constitution and the founders. Bachmann and Beck (TP supporters) also talk about the constitution and the need to follow it, so it seems they would advocate more constitutional issues involving states rights and constitutional issues with the Patriot Act. The only one they are focused on is repealing Obamacare, or at least the part that gives the federal government the authority to make us buy something.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    since most of the underperforming kids come from the lower socioeconomic bracket and many of them are on some kind of govt entitlement, simply tie their kid's performance to the amount of their check. you can guarantee that if mommy starts losing $$$ because junior is screwing off at school she will quickly jerk a knot in his ass.

    a technique I used was to call mommy or daddy at work every time one of my problem students gave me a hard time. I found that after a few calls, the boss got tired of mom/dad being interupted at work. mom/dad got tired of getting chewed on by the boss and lit a fire under junior's ass.
    I can't believe you'd call them at work all the time...

    I think you might have a good idea, but I don't think all the poor students are on welfare. I went to school with kids who really struggled in certain areas, but they weren't on welfare.

    But I was having a discussion about something similar with my sister... because where we live, kids from the inner city schools are given scholarships to go to the college here. The catch is, they have to move out of their neighborhood and come to our little suburb town, which doesn't have gangs or violence. What's happening are these kids are just finding trouble to cause here... they are always in jail. One girl is covered in gang tattoos and she was arrested for beating up two cops!!

    This is not working out very well for us... so I started thinking, what if, instead of giving the parents money from the government for no reason, what if their benefits were tied to their choice to send the children to better schools, not the inner city but something like a boarding school on a scholarship. I think that would be better for the kids, than growing up in violent schools and with all the influence of gangs and drugs.

    We have to break the cycle of poverty and drugs somehow. I don't like seeing kids raised in bad neighborhoods and around bad situations.

    There are probably hundreds of solutions people could come up, if they really tried... but nothing is being done. Politicians don't consider fixing the education system as a priority.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree. It was stupid from it's conception.
    I have never met a teacher who likes it or thinks it was a great idea. Most of the teachers I know say it's more red tape, and that they have to teach for tests all the time... Teaching is different than teaching to pass tests. I am about to learn how to study for and pass the CPA exam.

    Kids already had to pass proficiency tests or they didn't graduate high school here, and then Bush had the brilliant idea to create more tests because all the other tests didn't do what they were supposed to... lol

    Education is never a number one priority to politicians... I wonder when everybody is finally going to give a sh*t.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have never met a teacher who likes it or thinks it was a great idea. Most of the teachers I know say it's more red tape, and that they have to teach for tests all the time... Teaching is different than teaching to pass tests. I am about to learn how to study for and pass the CPA exam.

    Kids already had to pass proficiency tests or they didn't graduate high school here, and then Bush had the brilliant idea to create more tests because all the other tests didn't do what they were supposed to... lol

    Education is never a number one priority to politicians... I wonder when everybody is finally going to give a sh*t.
    Politicians look for easy ways to look better. For awhile Texas looked like they improved things with a program similar to NCLB, that is until you noticed they did worse on college entrance exams. Multiple choice tests are easy to grade, and it gives a number to look at. But little else.

    Then you tie funding to a test, this encourages schools to pass whatever test, and cheat if they have to. And if you make a demand, say that 100% must pass at a certain point, you assure that all schools will lose funding. And at the end of the day, public funds will go to private schools. Not sure when people lost the distinction ebtween public and private, and I don't know why more are not upset that public funds are going to private schools, but it will effect more and more people to the negative.

    Just a note here: Iowa is reducing public funds to public colleges, but maintans sending the same amopunt of funds to private colleges. The republican governor thinks sending public money to private colleges is better than funding public colleges.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    I think charter schools would be better. They cost half of what the taxpayers pay for public schools. And in charter there are no unions. So an ambitious principal or teacher can really do great things for the kids. But with public schools.....well they are just crap.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't understand why the No Child Left Behind Act is still in place.... it seems liberals don't like it, and a lot of conservatives don't like the fed being in state schools, so get rid of it alreayd
    I'll second that. Let's dump NCLB, along with any other failed government program we can, and apply the money saved to balancing the budget.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Most of the things that would actually help aren't even on this list.

    1. More teachers and smaller classes. Why would anyone imagine that one person is capable of educating 30-40 or more students at once. Especially young teenagers. Smaller classes (which requires having more teachers) will help the kids feel more involved, and make them care more about learning. Kids react to personal connection, not being a number in a system. At the same time, these teachers wouldn't be so overworked. This could help out those teachers that don't measure up. Teaching is a hard job, and making it a bit easier on them could allow them to do a better job. Keep in mind, this is reducing the quantity of work, not the quality. No teacher should be permitted to provide a shoddy education, but it would be easier to do the job well if they weren't spread so thin.

    2. More vocational training. There is absolutely no reason why a high school graduate should not possess the necessary skills to immediately walk into a technical job. Learning for learning's sake is great, but people need jobs. Instead of making sure that kids can recite some Robert Frost and know all about Ancient Rome, let's teach them about plumbing, or carpentry, or real organizational skills. This way, these kids will have job opportunities open to them beyond working a fryer for minimum wage. Now, this is not to say that more academic education is not important, but if we have limited time to educate someone, let's not skimp on practical skills.

    Together, these changes would allow a school system to better prepare a young person for the actual life they will be leading after graduation. School will be viewed as a more important resource to these kids, since the reward at the end (employment and money), will seem like a much more sure thing, instead of a crap shoot. Kids drop out of school and deal drugs because they don't think school will help them. Let's make school REALLY help.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'll second that. Let's dump NCLB, along with any other failed government program we can, and apply the money saved to balancing the budget.
    let's just dump the enitire federal education dept. they have done zippo to improve schools and waste millions of $$$$ per year. turn the schools back over to the states. our public schools have done nothing but deteriorate since the fed. ed dept. got involved.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have never met a teacher who likes it or thinks it was a great idea. Most of the teachers I know say it's more red tape, and that they have to teach for tests all the time... Teaching is different than teaching to pass tests. I am about to learn how to study for and pass the CPA exam.

    Kids already had to pass proficiency tests or they didn't graduate high school here, and then Bush had the brilliant idea to create more tests because all the other tests didn't do what they were supposed to... lol

    Education is never a number one priority to politicians... I wonder when everybody is finally going to give a sh*t.
    I've met both opinions and variations there. To some extent, teachers will not like the added responsibility and demands it places on them. That is just the way it is in interest group politics and in possibly over-demanding responsibility on one branch of a complicated social need. Many people care, it is just the fact that domestic policy change is rather difficult. The inability to rapidly change an education system for the better makes it difficult to agree on what people need to do.
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