View Poll Results: Which of these things would improve education in the US?

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  • Longer school days

    14 16.47%
  • Longer school years

    31 36.47%
  • Better pay for teachers

    29 34.12%
  • More charter schools

    27 31.76%
  • More public vouchers for private schools

    34 40.00%
  • Weakening teachers' unions

    42 49.41%
  • More funding

    31 36.47%
  • Reallocation of funding (e.g. on a state level instead of on a district level)

    27 31.76%
  • Firing teachers who fail to perform to the standards the school board expects

    50 58.82%
  • More online education, replacing some brick-and-mortar schools

    17 20.00%
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    I do consider a majority of public education a joke. I seen many of my classmates to this day that are near the intelligent level of a rock. I know this is not the school/teachers entirely, but the system needs to have some pretty heavy changes associated to it.
    How many schools did you attend? How hard did these classmates work in school? What kind of support did their parents provide? You seem to be forming your opinion of the entire educational system on your limited experience. This cannot lead to an accurate picture of education.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    You failed to include music and the other arts. That would be a mistake.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Private schools have no unions and perform better.
    Private schools perform better because they can select their students. They don't have to take or keep students with learning and behavior problems. The parents of private school students tend to be more involved because they are paying for the education.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Other than observing fellow former classmates whose basic intelligence may indeed have nothing to do with the schools they attended, what do you base your opinion on exactly?
    Gee I don't know, maybe the high school dropout rate, standards being exceedingly easier year to year, and yet people still not being able to meet the requirements. The need for more and more special education teachers, just the ones I know of off the top of my head.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Private schools benefit from being selective. Those who can afford a private school more often have more involved parents. There is little special about private schools other than their student population. If private schools had the general population, they would likely have the same problems public schools have. And if private schools depended on money based ontest scores, with a general population, they would do just what public schools are doing.

    Also, I see some really have problems with the teacher's union. I don't belong to any union, and while I might concede any organization, including a union, is not likely perfect, doing away with the union would more likely have us trade one problem for another. And in the larger view, unions are comparitively a small problem.
    I'm not saying you have to do away with unions, if you did chances are like you said, it would just worsen things.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Private schools perform better because they can select their students. They don't have to take or keep students with learning and behavior problems. The parents of private school students tend to be more involved because they are paying for the education.
    and we have seen no authoritative evidence to properly substantiate that claim in the first place.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    from Dontdoit on his criticism of the public schools


    Gee I don't know, maybe the high school dropout rate, standards being exceedingly easier year to year, and yet people still not being able to meet the requirements. The need for more and more special education teachers, just the ones I know of off the top of my head.
    There are many school districts with an extremely low dropout rate. There are many school districts with very high standards. There are countless people in many school districts who have no trouble meeting the requirements. And why is the increase in special education teachers any indication of anything other than that we need more special education teachers?
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Private schools perform better because they can select their students. They don't have to take or keep students with learning and behavior problems. The parents of private school students tend to be more involved because they are paying for the education.
    Your understanding of private schools is limited, I see. Many, many, kids with learning and behavior problems go to private schools. The selection of the students is also very limited and not nearly as much a factor in their success as you wish it to be.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your understanding of private schools is limited, I see. Many, many, kids with learning and behavior problems go to private schools. The selection of the students is also very limited and not nearly as much a factor in their success as you wish it to be.
    Depends on the school. But there is a tendency, a real tendency to have more involved parents. This means much more than any other factor. And this contributes to any success of the school more than any other factor. Private schools don't terach differently. They don't have better teachers, overall, or any different, let alone better methods.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Depends on the school. But there is a tendency, a real tendency to have more involved parents.
    That is because they are paying for the service. If the parent gets something for nothing or at least they get that impression the parent will most likely not be involved in it. All in all, that is how people work and that is not different in education.

    This means much more than any other factor. And this contributes to any success of the school more than any other factor.
    Indeed.

    Private schools don't terach differently. They don't have better teachers, overall, or any different, let alone better methods.
    In a way they do teach differently. With smaller class sizes and the pressure from the parents the teachers and schools will take greater care in the individual learning of each student. With a mass of students and no obvious incentive for the parent the public schools have little chance of matching the success.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your understanding of private schools is limited, I see. Many, many, kids with learning and behavior problems go to private schools. The selection of the students is also very limited and not nearly as much a factor in their success as you wish it to be.
    You know nothing of my understanding of education. The fact remains that private schools can be exclusive when public schools cannot. As I said earlier, parents who take the time to apply and pay for private school are going to be more involved in their child's education. Comparing private school results to public school results is not a fair comparison.

    Also, there is no guarantee that a private school education is a good education. It varies from state to state but private schools don't have to abide by the same standards as public schools.
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