View Poll Results: Which of these things would improve education in the US?

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  • Longer school days

    14 16.47%
  • Longer school years

    31 36.47%
  • Better pay for teachers

    29 34.12%
  • More charter schools

    27 31.76%
  • More public vouchers for private schools

    34 40.00%
  • Weakening teachers' unions

    42 49.41%
  • More funding

    31 36.47%
  • Reallocation of funding (e.g. on a state level instead of on a district level)

    27 31.76%
  • Firing teachers who fail to perform to the standards the school board expects

    50 58.82%
  • More online education, replacing some brick-and-mortar schools

    17 20.00%
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    Unions do not serve students, the exist for the sole purpose of their own subsistence, growing like a malignant fetid tumor on the backs of children.
    Again, this is what you believe. Could you explain the particular research or expertise you have that provides you with this unique 'insight' into teacher unions and the people who make up them?
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And your factual reasons related to educational performance for this belief would be what exactly?
    Private schools have no unions and perform better.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Private schools have no unions and perform better.
    I am eager to see your proof of this. Do please provide it.

    And when you do that, please provide the proof that any actual measurement of better performance is due to a non-union staff.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Private schools have no unions and perform better.
    Causal relationship error. Any prefroming better is more likely linked to a the student population and not unions.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, this is what you believe. Could you explain the particular research or expertise you have that provides you with this unique 'insight' into teacher unions and the people who make up them?
    teachers union are worthless. they don't give a rat's ass about the kids or the teachers. all they have become is a freakin politcal organization pushing their own twisted agenda. In my state, if you want to teach you are forced to join the union.

    I worked with a guy who had taught for 18 years, spotless record. he was falsely accused of "touching" a female student in his classroom after school one day. (he wasn't even in his classroom after school the day in question. he had left early to pick up one of his kids who was sick and I had covered his last class of the day for him) the teacher's union didn't to a damn thing to help him. 18 months later, the lying little bitch recanted and confessed she made the whole thing up because her mother told her to so they could sue the school.

    **** the unions
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    Unions do not serve students, the exist for the sole purpose of their own subsistence, growing like a malignant fetid tumor on the backs of children.
    All unions serve their members. Students are not memebers, just a auto unions are not for the car buyer. However, this doesn't make either anti students or car buyers.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    teachers union are worthless. they don't give a rat's ass about the kids or the teachers. all they have become is a freakin politcal organization pushing their own twisted agenda. In my state, if you want to teach you are forced to join the union.

    I worked with a guy who had taught for 18 years, spotless record. he was falsely accused of "touching" a female student in his classroom after school one day. (he wasn't even in his classroom after school the day in question. he had left early to pick up one of his kids who was sick and I had covered his last class of the day for him) the teacher's union didn't to a damn thing to help him. 18 months later, the lying little bitch recanted and confessed she made the whole thing up because her mother told her to so they could sue the school.

    **** the unions
    1- you attack teachers unions and fail to document any of your charges against them but think they are too powerful
    2- so your point is that teachers unions are not powerful enough because they could not help your buddy

    can you please make up your mind?
    can you please provide some documentation for your charges about teachers and unions?
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Causal relationship error. Any prefroming better is more likely linked to a the student population and not unions.
    lets await such 'proof' before we give him any credit for what it may contain.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    lets await such 'proof' before we give him any credit for what it may contain.
    We should certainly ask for proof, but for me it doesn't matter. He makes so many leaps of logic that not having the proof is the least of his troubles (reasoning is more important than research).

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We should certainly ask for proof, but for me it doesn't matter. He makes so many leaps of logic that not having the proof is the least of his troubles (reasoning is more important than research).
    good point. I suspect we are dealing with a belief system rather than anything rational that can be supported by objective evidence.
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