View Poll Results: Which of these things would improve education in the US?

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  • Longer school days

    14 16.47%
  • Longer school years

    31 36.47%
  • Better pay for teachers

    29 34.12%
  • More charter schools

    27 31.76%
  • More public vouchers for private schools

    34 40.00%
  • Weakening teachers' unions

    42 49.41%
  • More funding

    31 36.47%
  • Reallocation of funding (e.g. on a state level instead of on a district level)

    27 31.76%
  • Firing teachers who fail to perform to the standards the school board expects

    50 58.82%
  • More online education, replacing some brick-and-mortar schools

    17 20.00%
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if the teacher is really bad and the principal does his job and documents, it isn't that hard to fire a tenured teacher. my dad was a HS principle for 26 years and he fired many teachers with tenure.
    Depends on where you live. I'm guessing Alabama doesn't have strict union requirements...but in Chicago, New York, or (until recently) here in DC, it's practically impossible to fire a teacher with tenure, no matter how horrible they are. The unions have a stranglehold on the schools.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Depends on where you live. I'm guessing Alabama doesn't have strict union requirements...but in Chicago, New York, or (until recently) here in DC, it's practically impossible to fire a teacher with tenure, no matter how horrible they are. The unions have a stranglehold on the schools.
    teacher's union membership is mandatory if you want to teach in the state. even so, if an administrator documents poor performance by a teacher, it is possible to fire tenured teachers. It just takes work on the part of the admins and, sadly, many of them are too lazy or too incompetent themselves to actually do it.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    More private schools, less teacher unions and pensions. Anyone who has recently been in a public education system knows how big of a joke it really is. With all these programs implemented on schools that are not meeting education standards, a majority of them do nothing more than merely making it easier toward getting a degree without the adequate knowledge.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Depends on where you live. I'm guessing Alabama doesn't have strict union requirements...but in Chicago, New York, or (until recently) here in DC, it's practically impossible to fire a teacher with tenure, no matter how horrible they are. The unions have a stranglehold on the schools.
    This is one of the problems with these "debates". Education is not the same everywhere. Unions are not strong where I am. I am not a member of a union nor is any teacher I know. Things vary from state to state. I don't agree with everything the unions do but the protection they offer is sometimes necessary.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    More private schools, less teacher unions and pensions. Anyone who has recently been in a public education system knows how big of a joke it really is. With all these programs implemented on schools that are not meeting education standards, a majority of them do nothing more than merely making it easier toward getting a degree without the adequate knowledge.
    As I said earlier, you can't know how it is everywhere. Some schools don't do well but many do. I've taught in some excellent schools with excellent teachers.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    As I said earlier, you can't know how it is everywhere. Some schools don't do well but many do. I've taught in some excellent schools with excellent teachers.
    Well obviously there not all bad, come on now, we both know I didn't mean that. In the bad school districts it's not all the teachers fault either, a lot can be blamed on lack of capital and funding.

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    As I said earlier, you can't know how it is everywhere. Some schools don't do well but many do. I've taught in some excellent schools with excellent teachers.
    Since you have some actual knowledge of schools and teaching, blanket simplistic statements like "It's the teacher's unions" aren't going to mean much to you. If you didn't have much knowledge of the subject, then you might buy into the idea that there is some simple solution to the problems facing schools.
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Since you have some actual knowledge of schools and teaching, blanket simplistic statements like "It's the teacher's unions" aren't going to mean much to you. If you didn't have much knowledge of the subject, then you might buy into the idea that there is some simple solution to the problems facing schools.
    Why isn't there a simple solution? Seems to me all you have to do is eliminate public schooling. It would seem to me it only gets complex when you involve the government. *Shrug*

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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why isn't there a simple solution? Seems to me all you have to do is eliminate public schooling. It would seem to me it only gets complex when you involve the government. *Shrug*
    I believe if you read the rest of my post, you will see that I already answered your question, but let me ask you one in return:

    What nation of the world has a totally private education system, and an educated populace?
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    Re: Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Well obviously there not all bad, come on now, we both know I didn't mean that. In the bad school districts it's not all the teachers fault either, a lot can be blamed on lack of capital and funding.
    You didn't qualify your earlier statement that education was a "big joke." I've been in education 17 years and I see more good than bad. Of course there are issues but those are most often caused by people who know nothing about education making the decisions.
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