View Poll Results: Should the definition of minor be changed federally?

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Thread: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

    Realistically.... well what we have right now is a mess.

    Age of consent in some states is 16... I think 14 in at least one state.
    Drinking age almost everywhere is 21.

    So, you can have sex at 16, vote or join the military or get married at 18, drink at 21.

    BUT the odds are most young people are still somewhat dependent on their parents until they are 21 or 22... in many cases the parents are paying some or all of their college costs. BUT then you have others that are paying their own way, or went straight to work, or joined the military, or got married, or whatever.

    I don't think raising the age of majority is the way to go. If you make it 21, then the parent is still responsible for the upkeep and behavior of a person who might be in the Marines, or working full time, or married with children.... wtf?? OR, a slacker laying around at home refusing to do anything...

    Lowering it isn't much of an option. I think lowering it would cause the dropout rate to rise, which would cause the number of people in poverty and/or on Welfare to rise, increasing the burden on society.

    Either leave it alone, or let "majority" be dependent on fulfilling certain conditions indicating that one is mature enough to live one's own life independently.

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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

    Adulthood should be lowered so these little snot-nosed bastards can get off their texting asses and get to WORK!
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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Currently legal adulthood federally is skewed, with an individual being defined as a minor if they are under 18 thus an adult when over 18. However there are a few potential issues with this law. First and foremost is the inconsistency of its application on a federal level, with the term "minor" still being used with regards to individuals under 21 for alcohol but being a legally seperate term from the status of a "minor" with regards to adult status.
    Not to mention, the possibility of children as young as twelve being eligible to be "tried as an adult" for any crimes they've committed. If they're old enough to take on an adult's moral responsibility for their actions and old enough to suffer an adult's punishment, they are adults and should be legally recognized as such. I find it baffling that some people consider a fifteen year old to be incapable of making their own decisions, and yet still consider sentencing that same fifteen year old to life in prison to be acceptable.

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    Second, is whether or not with todays culture 18 is still a reasonable age to determine an individual as an "adult".
    I don't believe it was ever reasonable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is a far reaching matter. Access to certain items (Such as cigerettes), entrance into the military and potential for the draft, the ability to vote, etc are all related to the federal definition of adulthood. What is your thoughts? Under the law, should we change the definition of a minor and adult in some way to either lower it or raise it? For the sake of this conversation and attempting NOT to turn this into a pedophile issue, lets cap the "lowering" it to 16 years of age at most since that is the lowest any individual state within the US has it set at.
    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I don't like the idea of age-based adulthood at all. People don't all mature at the some rate. I know some people who are nowhere near mature enough for adulthood at 21 and others who are ready at 16. I would prefer a system where maturity is tested to allow access to 'adult' rights (i.e. driving, owning a gun, owning property, joining the military, drinking, gambling, etc.). I realize this is unrealistic though, so I'm okay leaving it at 18 and lowering the drinking age.
    I'm with molten_dragon that the determination of adulthood should not lie in calendar years, but in exhibiting adult capacity. It's not clear from his post whether or not he would agree with me, but one thing I would insist upon is that "adult" always equals "adult". All of these bizarre cases in which someone is treated as partially a child need to go away.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I think changing the age to 19 would be a fair compromise. It gives the kids an extra year of maturity before they are thrust into the "real world" and it would not be that much of an extra burden on the families. hell, many parents support their kids until they are 19-20 already. just make the legal age 19 across the board voting, drinking, smoking, military service, etc.
    Many parents support their children until they're well past any reasonable age of adulthood. I think raising the age of adulthood any further would be a mistake, and that it would lead not to more mature adults entering the "real world" so much as it would result in children staying children for an extra year-- and then we'll be arguing over whether or not we should raise it even further in the future.

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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

    One thing I think should be raised is the age to enlist in the armed forces. I saw a lot of kids who really didn't know anything about the outside world figure they didn't stand a chance in the real world or college, so they joined the military. They never tried to be independent or figure out the vagaries of the job market or get their own place or anything, they just went from one place that provided for their basic needs (the family) to another (the military). I think they missed out on an important part of their life in some ways. Not to mention, I'm highly doubtful that an 18 year old who just got out of high school really realizes what he's getting into when he signs up to serve in Afghanistan- especially with the sheer amount of BS recruiters will shovel.
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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You think every bad kid comes from bad parenting only?
    I never said only, but bad parenting is certainly a factor.
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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Some interesting and innovative ideas.
    But why "unrealistic" ?
    Mostly because it would be extremely difficult and expensive.
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    Re: Is it time we change the federal age of adulthood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I'm with molten_dragon that the determination of adulthood should not lie in calendar years, but in exhibiting adult capacity. It's not clear from his post whether or not he would agree with me, but one thing I would insist upon is that "adult" always equals "adult". All of these bizarre cases in which someone is treated as partially a child need to go away..
    Not sure if I agree with that or not. I think it would be quite difficult to develop a system of measuring or determining whether someone is mature enough to be an adult in all ways. If such a method could be determined I wouldn't be against it, I just think it would be easier to test for maturity relating to various rights given to adults and dole them out piecemeal. I can see how that has the potential to cause problems though.
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