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    Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?



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    Fred Phelps Timeline | Southern Poverty Law Center
    1974
    Phelps files a $50-million class action suit against Sears after a local outlet is several days late delivering a television set. Litigation continues for six years and is eventually settled with Sears paying Phelps $126 about $60 less than Phelps' son originally paid for the TV, which he never receives.


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    1983
    Phelps files the first of three federal lawsuits against Washburn University Law School after three of his children are denied admission. The suit contends his children should be granted minority status, and thus benefit from affirmative action, because of their association with their father's "civil rights" legal work.

    A later suit switches the argument, alleging reverse discrimination because Phelps' children are white. All are dismissed in 1986.


    1984
    Phelps sues President Ronald Reagan for sending an ambassador to the Vatican, alleging violations of the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion.


    1985
    Nine federal judges in Kansas sign a disciplinary complaint against Phelps, five of his children and a daughter-in-law, alleging the seven made false accusations against the judges.

    In a separate complaint, Phelps, still practicing in federal court, will be censured in 1987 for writing abusive letters this year to potential defendants threatening lawsuits if his demands were not met.


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    1993
    Shawnee County District Attorney Joan Hamilton begins to bring battery, assault and other charges including eight counts of criminal defamation against WBC members for a litany of alleged picket line abuses.

    After Phelps responds by filing the first of three suits against Hamilton alleging wrongful prosecution, a court invalidates the state defamation statute, enjoins further prosecution of WBC members in the cases, and awards $43,000 in legal fees to the church.

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    1997
    Claiming the city has not done enough to protect WBC picketers, Phelps threatens to sue Topeka if he is not paid $1 million. When the city demurs, Phelps sues for $7 million.





    1978
    In one of several civil rights cases filed by Phelps, an area school district pays almost $9,000 to Evelyn Rene Johnson (and over $10,000 in legal fees to Phelps) to settle a discrimination case.

    Another Phelps case results in a settlement for blacks who were illegally searched by police at a party.

    In 1986 and 1987, Phelps will receive three awards for his civil rights cases, including one bestowed by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.



    Does he really believe what he spews or is this nothing more than a scam for money? I think he is a con artist and nothing more.
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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    Is there some reason he can't be both?

    Personally, I think he cons people to finance his hate-mongering.
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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    Perhaps one day we'll get to protest at Fred Phelps' funeral with a sign that says GOD HATES FRED PHELPS or THANK GOD FOR A DEAD FRED.

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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    I neither know nor care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Perhaps one day we'll get to protest at Fred Phelps' funeral with a sign that says GOD HATES FRED PHELPS or THANK GOD FOR A DEAD FRED.
    I prefer the message from here.
    God Hates Fred Phelps.

    ...well, not really. In fact, we don't even hate Fred Phelps, and we certainly don't presume to speak for God at all.

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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    How come cult leader is not an option?

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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    Does he really believe what he spews or is this nothing more than a scam for money? I think he is a con artist and nothing more.
    Probably a little bit of both. I bet he's making a purdy good salary off this scam.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Perhaps one day we'll get to protest at Fred Phelps' funeral with a sign that says GOD HATES FRED PHELPS or THANK GOD FOR A DEAD FRED.
    I would prefer that protesters hold a sign that says Satan is now butt ****ing Fred at his funeral.
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    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    You know what would be the bee's knees?

    Phelps used to be a civil rights lawyer. What if he doesn't hate gays at all or crave attention or do it for the lawyers fees (many of his children are lawyers, after all), but organizes these displays of inhumanity and then fights the inevitable legislative responses in order to ensure First Amendment protections for everybody?

    Let's face it, every single time Phelps succeeds in putting on his show, it is a blow struck for freedom of speech.


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    Not a Phelps fan, just indulging his inner conspiracy theorist.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    From what I've read about Fred Phelps, he was one of the first lawyers in Kansas to fight for the civil rights of blacks. However his stance on homosexuality and religion is quite scary but not alien to the Protestant tradition in the South. If anything I would call Fred Phelps a paleo-paleo-conservative (that's two paleo). This type of conservative would be characterized by support for the rights of minorities, a clearly Protestant view of morality and life and rejection of social Darwinism.
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    Re: Is Fred Phelps a con artistr or a hate monger?

    Both, for sure.

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