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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    simple, because like i said the HONEST answer to the name change would be so the gays couldnt have it OR to hush up the antigay crowd.

    A humorous example I like to give is what if when Obama won we decided we wont be calling him the president any more because that word is sacred and we need to protect its sanctity, from now one its the CEO of America because we dont want a black guy to ever be the president of the united states?

    Congrats Mr. Obama/ Mrs Clinton! you won! uhm listen, see the thing is we aren’t going to call you the President, see well, uhm , you are half black/a woman and we just cant call you THE PRESIDENT, that’s a “sacred" word based on MY opinion, even though we have used it for all others we are going to change it NOW, we are going to call you aaaaaah . . . . uhm . . . The CEO if the United States of America, yeah thats it.


    Now mind you, you'll still have the same "full rights/privileges" and powers and decisions to make has the president we just cant call you that or use that word anymore because of you.

    I understand what you are saying, from here on out everybody would be called the same but I think its a huge slap in the face of gays because everyone would know why it was changed. And it would be so people could continue discriminating. No thanks.
    I get the argument that you're making, I just don't buy it.

    A law that treats everyone the same is by definition not discriminatory. And if it takes calling it civil unions for everyone for gays to get the same civil rights as straight people, then so be it. Because in the end, that's really the only part that I care about, is the civil rights. I couldn't care less what it's called.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I get the argument that you're making, I just don't buy it.

    A law that treats everyone the same is by definition not discriminatory. And if it takes calling it civil unions for everyone for gays to get the same civil rights as straight people, then so be it. Because in the end, that's really the only part that I care about, is the civil rights. I couldn't care less what it's called.
    Three words for you: seperate but equal. Surely you're not saying that wasn't discriminatory?
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I get the argument that you're making, I just don't buy it.

    A law that treats everyone the same is by definition not discriminatory. And if it takes calling it civil unions for everyone for gays to get the same civil rights as straight people, then so be it. Because in the end, that's really the only part that I care about, is the civil rights. I couldn't care less what it's called.
    It would be a separate but equal institution, which has been ruled unconstitutional. While I would take the compromise just to get the rights, I would be surprised if it didn't get ruled to be unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, and go to having SSM.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It would be a separate but equal institution, which has been ruled unconstitutional. While I would take the compromise just to get the rights, I would be surprised if it didn't get ruled to be unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, and go to having SSM.
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    Three words for you: seperate but equal. Surely you're not saying that wasn't discriminatory?
    Go back and actually read what I suggested. I never said I support civil unions only for homosexuals. I support them only if it's for everyone (i.e. the law treats everyone equally). It is not a 'separate but equal' situation.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Go back and actually read what I suggested. I never said I support civil unions only for homosexuals. I support them only if it's for everyone (i.e. the law treats everyone equally). It is not a 'separate but equal' situation.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Go back and actually read what I suggested. I never said I support civil unions only for homosexuals. I support them only if it's for everyone (i.e. the law treats everyone equally). It is not a 'separate but equal' situation.
    Oh. I think that's more unlikely than gay marriage, but I wouldn't care if it happened.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I get the argument that you're making, I just don't buy it.

    A law that treats everyone the same is by definition not discriminatory. And if it takes calling it civil unions for everyone for gays to get the same civil rights as straight people, then so be it. Because in the end, that's really the only part that I care about, is the civil rights. I couldn't care less what it's called.
    I think you only don't buy it because you are not gay. I have said it for myself. Im not gay and would probably be find with your suggestion also but what I have an issue with is if a gay person asked me to explain to them how it isnt a slap in the face, discrimination and letting the bad guys win . . well . . . I couldn't

    I couldn't honestly look them in the eye and say, that it was right.

    What about my example? would that be ok, wouldit have been ok not to call it the president anymore just because a black guy finally made it? and no we call it the CEO of AMerica?


    I guess my main point is that everyone would know it was changed because of GAY CITIZENS and any other answer would be dishonest and that to me makes it wrong.

    If changing it to civil unions was a serious idea that's been around way BEFORE gay rights then maybe id buy it. But the only reason it would be getting changed is to please the homophobes, bigots and or selfish people that want to discriminate. No thanks. Keeping its name is what makes the most sense.

    I agree a law that treats people equally isnt discrimination but the question is WHY CHANGE IT? What drove the name to be changed? Why not just make marriage include everyone and make the CURRENT law not discriminate.

    In the end I agree with you in ways I just want all my fellow Americans treated equally and dont want to see them discriminated against but this IMO is letting the bad guys win.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Well sure, they could claim that they were married, but it wouldn't mean anything legally. I'm proposing separating the legal and ceremonial parts of marriage completely. A marriage in a church would just be ceremonial (or it would be your marriage before god if you prefer the religious aspect). It would carry no legal status.

    To get your legal rights (the rights that marriage currently confers) you would just go down to the courthouse and sign the paperwork and it would be official.
    That's fine. If you advocate the removal of the Marriage License and replace it with something like a Civil Union License which is the legal contract which contains all the legal "privilege" of marriage and is open to any 2 consenting adults, and return marriage to fully within the realm of religion; then it's a consistent argument that can abide by the rights of the individual. But you'll have one heck of a time changing the details of the Marriage License, the government is not likely to give up power it usurped.

    I say that so long as the Marriage License exists, you cannot rightfully and justly forbid same sex couples from entering into legal marriage.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    uhmmmm we do because it IS their sexuality LMAO

    homo and hetro describe the SEXUALITY

    so if you are trying to make a parallel, in this case, it would be MARRIAGE, same sex MARRIAGE or hetero MARRIAGE or homosexual MARRIAGE or gay MARRIAGE


    but still MARRIAGE
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