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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    A lot of anti-gay-marriage people argue that if gay marriage were legal it wouldn't be long before churches were being forced to marry gays.
    And that is nothing but fear mongering. That would never happen, nor would most supporters of SSM support that. I know I wouldn't.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    The other problem I have with this is whats the answer to the question "why was it changed" the answer is because of gay marriage. That to me is giving in to the bad guys and continuing discrimination in a backhanded way.
    How is it discrimination when the law treats everyone equally? It doesn't matter why it's changed, it just matters that after the change everyone has equal rights. And while it might be 'giving in' to anti-gay-marriage folks, I'm alright with that. I don't mind throwing them a bone if it gets gays their equal rights.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

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    And that is nothing but fear mongering. That would never happen, nor would most supporters of SSM support that. I know I wouldn't.
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    I'm not saying I believe it or support it, I just hear that argument a lot.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How is it discrimination when the law treats everyone equally? It doesn't matter why it's changed, it just matters that after the change everyone has equal rights. And while it might be 'giving in' to anti-gay-marriage folks, I'm alright with that. I don't mind throwing them a bone if it gets gays their equal rights.
    The "why" matters. Why do you think the DoI was written? Why do you think millions of studies are always being done and then acted upon in our legislature? DaDT anyone? Laws against murder? Theft? Rape? Child abuse? And the list goes on and on and on ad nauseum on.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    A lot of anti-gay-marriage people argue that if gay marriage were legal it wouldn't be long before churches were being forced to marry gays.
    They could argue that all they want but the constitution doesnt all the churches to be forced to do so and the point is since straight marriage is already denied by churches couples could try to force them now, gay marriage has no effect.

    It has already proven a lot of antigay people are wrong about many things
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The "why" matters. Why do you think the DoI was written? Why do you think millions of studies are always being done and then acted upon in our legislature? DaDT anyone? Laws against murder? Theft? Rape? Child abuse? And the list goes on and on and on ad nauseum on.
    WTF does this have to do with anything I said?

    Please explain to me how a law that treats everyone equally is discriminatory.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    WTF does this have to do with anything I said?

    Please explain to me how a law that treats everyone equally is discriminatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How is it discrimination when the law treats everyone equally? It doesn't matter why it's changed, it just matters that after the change everyone has equal rights. And while it might be 'giving in' to anti-gay-marriage folks, I'm alright with that. I don't mind throwing them a bone if it gets gays their equal rights.
    I am showing you that the "why" DOES matter. If you enact a law for discriminatory reasons then the law, by nature, will be discriminatory. Why must the word "marriage" be limited to just those of religious types? Why can gays not use the word "marriage"? It is like telling gays that they are not good enough to use the word...or the drinking fountain, or sit up front of the bus or court room.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How is it discrimination when the law treats everyone equally? It doesn't matter why it's changed, it just matters that after the change everyone has equal rights. And while it might be 'giving in' to anti-gay-marriage folks, I'm alright with that. I don't mind throwing them a bone if it gets gays their equal rights.
    simple, because like i said the HONEST answer to the name change would be so the gays couldnt have it OR to hush up the antigay crowd.

    A humorous example I like to give is what if when Obama won we decided we wont be calling him the president any more because that word is sacred and we need to protect its sanctity, from now one its the CEO of America because we dont want a black guy to ever be the president of the united states?

    Congrats Mr. Obama/ Mrs Clinton! you won! uhm listen, see the thing is we aren’t going to call you the President, see well, uhm , you are half black/a woman and we just cant call you THE PRESIDENT, that’s a “sacred" word based on MY opinion, even though we have used it for all others we are going to change it NOW, we are going to call you aaaaaah . . . . uhm . . . The CEO if the United States of America, yeah thats it.


    Now mind you, you'll still have the same "full rights/privileges" and powers and decisions to make has the president we just cant call you that or use that word anymore because of you.

    I understand what you are saying, from here on out everybody would be called the same but I think its a huge slap in the face of gays because everyone would know why it was changed. And it would be so people could continue discriminating. No thanks.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Note the part in bold:
    How exactly does the declaration of independence, studies done in congress, don't ask don't tell, and laws against murder, theft, rape, and child abuse show that the 'why' matters? You might have a point, but you're not expressing it very well, as I have no idea what the hell all of those things have to do with gay marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I am showing you that the "why" DOES matter.
    Not very well you aren't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If you enact a law for discriminatory reasons then the law, by nature, will be discriminatory.
    How is it being enacted for discriminatory reasons? It would be enacted to stop discrimination.

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    Why must the word "marriage" be limited to just those of religious types? Why can gays not use the word "marriage"?
    Who said it would be limited only to the religious, and who said gays couldn't use it? Anyone could have a marriage ceremony and say they were married. It just wouldn't have any legal status. For anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It is like telling gays that they are not good enough to use the word...or the drinking fountain, or sit up front of the bus or court room.
    No, it's not like that at all. It's just redefining what marriage is.

    Again, please show me how a law that treats everyone equally is discriminatory. You've so far done nothing to do so.
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    Re: For people who are against Same Sex Marriage.

    I think that's a very good point about how changing the wording from marriage, or getting rid of state recognized marriage entirely, could be a slap in the face to non-heterosexuals and could further stir up resentment. Realistically, I don't think the government or voters would take away marriage rights for everybody or change the term from marriage to civil unions for heterosexuals, but I hadn't thought about the argument in that way before. Thanks :-)

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