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Thread: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

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    Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Who/What do you believe is at fault for the shooting of Giffords and others in AZ this past Saturday? Please check all that you believe have a part in the blame.


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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    The shooter is at fault.

    The crap some at Fox, some at MSNBC, some on conservative talk radio, some at liberal print media, etc, throws around isn't against the law, I just find it to be f***** despicable... personally.

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    The shooter obviously, and the only other people that could be at blame would be his parents. They should have known he had bought a gun, and his mental problems, if he lived with them. If not, then they can't really be blamed.
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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    He was 22, how could his parents possibly be responsible for his actions? Even were he 17 and able to acquire a firearm, it is questionable whether his parents would be responsible for his actions - according to the law they would have been, yet they weren't the ones who pulled the trigger.

    It is claimed that he has mentally illness. If it is not of the sort that prevents distinguishing right from wrong, then he should not be prevented from owning a firearm. I myself am mentally ill, know right from wrong, am trained in the use of a firearm and have a concealed carry permit, although I do not currently own a firearm.

    In that situation, I would be one either hiding or trying to stop the madman - never know quite how you will react until you are in such a situation. I'd like to think I would have the courage to attempt to stop it.

    How could anything else possibly be responsible for his actions? It is said that he is a nihilist and a reader of Neitzsche and interested in fomenting chaos. It is said that he was an anarchist. Did this worldview contribute to his actions? Quite possibly. I do not think that the adoption of a worldview or opinion, that leads one to despicable behavior, implies that any other individual is responsible for the man's actions. I do think it could be said that that set of ideas promotes violence. Should we restrict such ideas? It seems to be a violation of the 1st amendment.

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    I tend to see things in terms of a formula with many variables. Take a schizophrenic person, give him a family unable to deal with his issues, expose him to a media that glorifies violence, make the access to weapons too little regulated, provide a psychological trigger that demonizes certain individuals or groups, and voila'. None of these factors are entirely responsible, and some are more responsible than others, but the lack of any particular one might make the difference with the particular person involved.

    Everybody likes to simplify things, usually by creating mutually exclusive dichotomies reduced down to the level of "show me the direct relationship" , but you know -- life is not so simple as that, especially when considering people's behavior. Heck, none of us really know why WE act the way we do, so how can we expect to gain an understanding of others if we insist on creating these rigid, and often times politically motivated templates for evaluating them that discard all possibilities other than the one we have predetermined?
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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    The fault of the shooter.And if Arizona allows you to have someone seek out a metal evaluation then it is also the fault of those people who claimed he was nuts but didn't do anything about it.
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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Anyone with half a brain knows that this is clearly Bush's fault...

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    It's the shooters fault. but many many people failed this kid as well.
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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    The American people, most of them. 50% not participating, not voting; another mass of people not speaking out on the Internet as the DB people do...
    Overly wrapped in fear and ignorance...and worse yet, not caring.

    If "privacy" can be removed and ones medical records used to protect society from nut-cases...
    Yes, I watch MSNBC, this "privacy" fear is a problem that needs to be dealt with..
    Had the right people seen his records, then , no gun.
    Gun ownership must be reserved for the sane and responsible.
    Charlatans/fear mongers such as Beck and Limbaugh do not help, Maddow is becoming almost as bad.
    We need more PBS and NPR.
    Less NRA.

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