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Thread: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's the shooters fault. but many many people failed this kid as well.
    Primarily his parents, secondarily the privacy advocates.....the police never knew.....society in general....

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fault of the shooter.And if Arizona allows you to have someone seek out a metal evaluation then it is also the fault of those people who claimed he was nuts but didn't do anything about it.
    Agree.
    Present "privacy" laws protect the individual, but not really...the privacy laws must be overhauled, completely. Privacy prevents the police from knowing what they should know...
    Who is responsible for this ?

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    There is only one person that can be charged with the crime and that's the shooter.


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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    The second gunman on the grassy knoll.

    The shooter, obviously.
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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Who/What do you believe is at fault for the shooting of Giffords and others in AZ this past Saturday? Please check all that you believe have a part in the blame.
    Unquestionably it is the shooters fault.

    As to whether or not anyones at fault for not potentially stopping it before it happened, or for possibly having failed in some way to prevent it when its reasonable to suggest they should've, or whether someone was directly influential in leading him to doing it....all of that's going to be unknown until actual facts come out.

    But whose at fault specifically for the murders and the killing...the shooter and the shooter alone.

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Unquestionably it is the shooters fault.

    As to whether or not anyones at fault for not potentially stopping it before it happened, or for possibly having failed in some way to prevent it when its reasonable to suggest they should've, or whether someone was directly influential in leading him to doing it....all of that's going to be unknown until actual facts come out.

    But whose at fault specifically for the murders and the killing...the shooter and the shooter alone.

    It's ultimatley the shooters fault, but many many many people dropped the ball on this one:


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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I tend to see things in terms of a formula with many variables. Take a schizophrenic person, give him a family unable to deal with his issues, expose him to a media that glorifies violence, make the access to weapons too little regulated, provide a psychological trigger that demonizes certain individuals or groups, and voila'. None of these factors are entirely responsible, and some are more responsible than others, but the lack of any particular one might make the difference with the particular person involved.

    Everybody likes to simplify things, usually by creating mutually exclusive dichotomies reduced down to the level of "show me the direct relationship" , but you know -- life is not so simple as that, especially when considering people's behavior. Heck, none of us really know why WE act the way we do, so how can we expect to gain an understanding of others if we insist on creating these rigid, and often times politically motivated templates for evaluating them that discard all possibilities other than the one we have predetermined?
    All well and good about "these things".

    have any thoughts about this SPECIFIC thing?

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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Who/What do you believe is at fault for the shooting of Giffords and others in AZ this past Saturday? Please check all that you believe have a part in the blame.
    To think that it is anyone other than the shooters is idiotic. Personal agenda's does not change the reality that only the person pulling the trigger is the one that decides to pull that trigger. Or not pull the trigger.
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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    I blame the shooter but I also blame a society that tolerates such easy access to semi-automatic handguns and high capacity magazines.
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    Re: Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The American people, most of them. 50% not participating, not voting; another mass of people not speaking out on the Internet as the DB people do...
    Overly wrapped in fear and ignorance...and worse yet, not caring.

    If "privacy" can be removed and ones medical records used to protect society from nut-cases...
    Yes, I watch MSNBC, this "privacy" fear is a problem that needs to be dealt with..
    Had the right people seen his records, then , no gun.
    Gun ownership must be reserved for the sane and responsible.
    Charlatans/fear mongers such as Beck and Limbaugh do not help, Maddow is becoming almost as bad.
    We need more PBS and NPR.
    Less NRA.
    wtf did the NRA do?



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