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Who/What is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? (choose all that apply)

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And, if it turns out that the shooter is not responsible by reason of insanity, who/what is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? It would appear that this was his first serious criminal act. It is hard to blame parents, schools, etc. when there was no serious incident to point at.


The shooter!

Or was it just inevitable. Mass shootings are just the price of American-style liberty. Oh, well, nothing to see here, just another pound of flesh that we must occasionally pony up for our freedom.

Rather, I think Americans have a huge blind spot in the shape of a handgun that we just won't come to terms with.


So, tell us, how much liberty are you willing to trade for you own personal safety? Where would you draw the line?
 
And, if it turns out that the shooter is not responsible by reason of insanity, who/what is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? …

The shooter! …

It's like blaming the storm for the ship sinking. It's accurate: the ship wouldn't have sunk but for the storm, but, it doesn't really get you anywhere. Storms happen; mental illness happens. Storms sink ships, mentally ill people do crazy things, including, potentially very harmful things if given access to harm-causing instruments like handguns. If you are concerned about ships not sinking during storms, then, your focus is on stuff like storm tracking, ship integrity and crew training. If your concern is about preventing mass shootings , then your focus is about detecting and treating mental illness and preventing deadly instruments like handguns from falling into the hands of mentally ill people.
 
It's like blaming the storm for the ship sinking. It's accurate: the ship wouldn't have sunk but for the storm, but, it doesn't really get you anywhere. Storms happen; mental illness happens. Storms sink ships, mentally ill people do crazy things, including, potentially very harmful things if given access to harm-causing instruments like handguns. If you are concerned about ships not sinking during storms, then, your focus is on stuff like storm tracking, ship integrity and crew training. If your concern is about preventing mass shootings , then your focus is about detecting and treating mental illness and preventing deadly instruments like handguns from falling into the hands of mentally ill people.

Looks like Doopnik ****ed the dog on this one, then.
 
And, if it turns out that the shooter is not responsible by reason of insanity, who/what is at fault for the mass shooting in AZ? It would appear that this was his first serious criminal act. It is hard to blame parents, schools, etc. when there was no serious incident to point at.

Or was it just inevitable. Mass shootings are just the price of American-style liberty. Oh, well, nothing to see here, just another pound of flesh that we must occasionally pony up for our freedom.

Rather, I think Americans have a huge blind spot in the shape of a handgun that we just won't come to terms with.

Sane or insane, the shooter is responsible for the act. Even the most insane make decisions to to whatever they do.
 
Sane or insane, the shooter is responsible for the act. Even the most insane make decisions to to whatever they do.

Yup, I think I covered that; for many Americans it's just the price we pay for our liberty “to keep and bear Arms.” Every so often a half dozen to a few dozen of us just have to die; there's no point in altering anything.
 
Yup, I think I covered that; for many Americans it's just the price we pay for our liberty “to keep and bear Arms.” Every so often a half dozen to a few dozen of us just have to die; there's no point in altering anything.

Do you support torturing terrorists, to save American lives?
 
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Who/What do you believe is at fault for the shooting of Giffords and others in AZ this past Saturday? Please check all that you believe have a part in the blame.

You left Zeitgiest off the list but I still would have voted for "the shooter".
 
And the hits just keep on coming …

2011 Tucson Massacre, 6 dead
2009 Binghamton Massacre, 14 dead
2009 Carthage Massacre, 8 dead
2009 Geneva County Massacre, 11 dead
2008 Covina Massacre, 9 dead
2008 Alger Massacre, 6 dead
2008 Northern Illinois University Massacre, 6 dead
2007 Carnation Massacre, 6 dead
2007 Omaha Mall Massacre, 9 dead
2007 Virginia Tech Massacre, 32 dead
2006 Amish school shooting, 5 dead
 
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And hits just keep on coming …

2011 Tucson Massacre, 6 dead
2009 Binghamton Massacre, 14 dead
2009 Carthage Massacre, 8 dead
2009 Geneva County Massacre, 11 dead
2008 Covina Massacre, 9 dead
2008 Alger Massacre, 6 dead
2008 Northern Illinois University Massacre, 6 dead
2007 Carnation Massacre, 6 dead
2007 Omaha Mall Massacre, 9 dead
2007 Virginia Tech Massacre, 32 dead
2006 Amish school shooting, 5 dead

Do you think that if you keep posting this that it will or does some how make you right? Should I start making lists of how many people have died due to other ways that people can die? Here's one for ya that tops your list of dead quite easily.

9/11: 3000 people dead. And it had nothing to do with a gun. Should we now make it harder for people to own planes?
 
… 9/11: 3000 people dead. And it had nothing to do with a gun. Should we now make it harder for people to own planes?

Tell me what you think the next time you're standing holding your pants up, standing in your stocking feet watching your shampoo being discarded; let me know, was there a change after 9/11?
 
Tell me what you think the next time you're standing holding your pants up, standing in your stocking feet watching your shampoo being discarded; let me know, was there a change after 9/11?
If we offered people the option to obtain permits allowing them to carry weaponry aboard planes that would not puncture the hull...

I think any potential terrorist might find themselves in a world of hurt.
 
And the hits just keep on coming …

2011 Tucson Massacre, 6 dead
2009 Binghamton Massacre, 14 dead
2009 Carthage Massacre, 8 dead
2009 Geneva County Massacre, 11 dead
2008 Covina Massacre, 9 dead
2008 Alger Massacre, 6 dead
2008 Northern Illinois University Massacre, 6 dead
2007 Carnation Massacre, 6 dead
2007 Omaha Mall Massacre, 9 dead
2007 Virginia Tech Massacre, 32 dead
2006 Amish school shooting, 5 dead

The point is that after all these horrific events there has not been any action to change anything … Americans are content to let it ride.
 
Tell me what you think the next time you're standing holding your pants up, standing in your stocking feet watching your shampoo being discarded; let me know, was there a change after 9/11?

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Especially since when I travel I travel light. Of course I have yet to hold my pants up or stand around in my socks. Also I shave my head so no need for shampoo.
 
The point is that after all these horrific events there has not been any action to change anything … Americans are content to let it ride.

No action? Are you serious? Do you even know what it takes to buy an over the counter gun now adays?
 
The point is that after all these horrific events there has not been any action to change anything … Americans are content to let it ride.
There have been many ideas suggested to counter such events - but many of them violate one portion of the constitution or another, or are completely counter to each other in basis.

For example, two simple (more or less) ideas:

  1. "Emplace more restrictions on weaponry on campus grounds/in public buildings”, and/or “ban X weapon type(s)”.
  2. "Allow people to carry weapons on campus grounds/in public buildings”, and/or “lower restrictions on legal weapon purchase”.
Obviously, those ideas are counter to each other, but all have been suggested at one point or another after nearly every single event of this type in recent years.

As you may know, I favor more the second idea type.

This is because, as far as I am aware, laws designed to control guns have so far had little to no positive effect.

I ascribe to the notion that if you have armed citizens at the scene who can step in to stop such people mid-stride (by shooting them, in most cases), the number of such incidents will decrease.
 
Oh, you also forgot to include his parents. They would have been my second choice as far as blame goes.

1: Shooter
2: Parents
3: Drugs
4: Tucson Community College
5: Pima County Sheriff Dept.
6: The Zeitgeist Movement
 
Yup, I think I covered that; for many Americans it's just the price we pay for our liberty “to keep and bear Arms.” Every so often a half dozen to a few dozen of us just have to die; there's no point in altering anything.

why does freedom cause so many people to wet themselves? sheep love living in pens because without pens a few might be taken by wolves. Of course all of those in pens are at the mercy of the farmer's slaughterhouse
 
why does freedom cause so many people to wet themselves? sheep love living in pens because without pens a few might be taken by wolves. Of course all of those in pens are at the mercy of the farmer's slaughterhouse

False sense of security seems to be the mentality in my opinion. The false choice of Sheep vs Cattle may play a part as well.
 
False sense of security seems to be the mentality in my opinion. The false choice of Sheep vs Cattle may play a part as well.

in the end all the sheep in the pen get sheared castrated or slaughtered.
 
Oh, you also forgot to include his parents. They would have been my second choice as far as blame goes.

1: Shooter
2: Parents
3: Drugs
4: Tucson Community College
5: Pima County Sheriff Dept.
6: The Zeitgeist Movement

Where are you on the list? Where are the Americans who think there's nothing that can be done on the list? Where are the people who think that the general public needs to be able to purchase high capacity magazines on the list? Americans who deny that our lenient laws that cover handgun sales and high capacity magazines had anything to do with the Tucson Massacre, they must come to terms that they are on the list.
 
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Where are you on the list? Where are the Americans who think there's nothing that can be done on the list? Where are the people who think that the general public needs to be able to purchase high capacity magazines on the list? Americans who deny that our lenient laws that cover handgun sales and high capacity magazines, they must come to terms that they are on the list.
Actually, we think that those who wish to make laws more restrictive regarding gun and gun-related equipment sales are the ones who must come to terms with what seems relatively obvious - that such laws have a negative effect, not a positive one.

Edit: Not to speak for others, but I think that was accurate...
 
Where are you on the list? Where are the Americans who think there's nothing that can be done on the list? Where are the people who think that the general public needs to be able to purchase high capacity magazines on the list? Americans who deny that our lenient laws that cover handgun sales and high capacity magazines had anything to do with Tucson Massacre, they must come to terms that they are on the list.

sorry dude-exercising constitutional freedoms is never to be blamed for the criminal depradations of another.

that you are afraid of guns and freedom only reflects on you and we who are not need not feel responsible for a mad man.
 
Actually, we think that those who wish to make laws more restrictive regarding gun and gun-related equipment sales are the ones who must come to terms with what seems relatively obvious - that such laws have a negative effect, not a positive one.

Edit: Not to speak for others, but I think that was accurate...

works for me
 
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