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Civil War

The United States is heading towards a bloody revolution, and second civil war

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SirPwn4lot

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Is the United States heading towards a bloody revolution, and a second civil war?

What do you think, are we on that track?

Note: this is regardless of if you think it should or not, just what you think the chances are that it will happen.
 
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Its completely and totally possible, however Civil War 2 has the potential to be more than two sided. Could be regional, racial, religious, ideological among others and you can bet your ass that other countries would funnel aid to whoever might favor/be neutral towards them.
 
Possible - yes; Likely - no. I would hope that things don't get that bad. Had the GOP not gained so many seats in the 2010 election, I think it would have been a tad more possible but still not likely. There are those in this administration and in Congress that want a class war. They keep pushing for it with every bill and ridiculous statement they make. I think Chevy is right, it won't be a North vs. South or an East vs. West thing if it should happen (and I pray that it doesn't). It is my hope and my belief that there will not be another "Civil War" in the US ever again.
 
America's divisions cannot be resolved by violence. Either America will bottom out and be renewed, or it will undergo some form of gradual dissolution. In either event, the past can't be restored. Americans are in some ways as divided as they were in the 1850's, but there is nothing to be gained by violence. Civil disobedience is a different matter.
 
First, let's look at the immediate facts: Regardless of what cable news channels may want people to believe, Americans are not particularly divided over any political issue. I'd hardly call disagreements over whether the top marginal tax rate should be 36% or 39% as the harbinger of an impending civil war. Nor are there any serious regional differences; sure, there are "red states" and "blue states," but in reality they're all various shades of purple that are barely distinguishable. The culture of Wyoming and the culture of Connecticut are not that different in the grand scheme of things.

Next, let's look at the broader trends of history: Civil wars hardly exist in economically-developed countries at all. They are mainly confined to poor places, such as Africa and South Asia. Rich countries may have to deal with the occasional terrorist group or separatist movement, but not outright civil wars. They simply don't happen in countries where people's basic needs are met...and even if they did, the United States would be about the last candidate in the world for such a war.
 
I can't see it ever happening. Our country is divided, but hardly to the degree that people were during the civil war. And a lot of people in America are fairly apathetic about politics. I may get into heated debates on this forum about political issues, but in reality I don't care so much. Sure, I vote, and I write to my congressmen occasionally about issues that are important to me, but I would certainly never get so worked up as to support a civil war. It's mostly because it doesn't really matter all that much who's elected. Sure, I'm glad Obama's the president now instead of McCain, but really, my life hasn't changed at all between when Bush was president and now.

I think the other reason it won't happen is because we think of ourselves differently. We are a much more united nation now than in the 1800s. Back then a lot of people identified with their state before they identified themselves as Americans. Now that isn't nearly so true.
 
I think there may possibly be some dissolution in the future, but I don't see it being violent. If you looking at the polling, there are very few issues that there is not a majority opinion on, meaning that we have a common culture, no matter what 24/7 news channels desperate to drum up news say.
 
Not at this time, no. It would take much more drastic conditions to push an adequate % of the population over into some kind of open armed rebellion than anything we're likely to see in the near future.

Just as a side note, the American Revolution began with only 3% of the population actively supporting it, according to some historians.
 
Would never happen. The vast majority of USA citizens don't have the stomach to pick up a gun to defend their life, let alone their beliefs.

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I don't believe that we're close to a Civil War. I think the presence of 24/7 news/opinion channels has heightened our awareness of everything and, therefore, we think it's worse that it has been in the past.
 
LOL. Go to your local mall and watch the potential citizen soldiers waddle out of the Waffles and More.
 
I'd say the U.S. is headed for a dramatic fall from power with a period of severe rioting, domestic terrorism and economic instability. I blame this on political pandering to ignorant demographics and the stubborn, uncompromising ideologies of both sides. When the parties can no longer ignore the big problems facing this country and are forced to alter the way the government works and the "rights" people receive, there will be some major drama. But a civil war? Probably not. New political parties? I think that is a real possibility.
 
No way are we even close to even the idea of a civil war. No matter how bad the economy is now, our country is still very strong, and we are still top dog in the world. Everyone's basic needs are met, and the government isn't oppressive in anyway. Nothing for normal people to get violent about. Let alone form their own militia, and try to take on the US military. Which would be suicide for most nations armies, let alone a rag tag militia.
 
SirPwn4lot said:
Is the United States heading towards a bloody revolution, and a second civil war?

What do you think, are we on that track?

Note: this is regardless of if you think it should or not, just what you think the chances are that it will happen.
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Revolutions happen when the govenrment ignores the overall wellbeing and frank majority-views held by it's citizens.
Our system is set up so we can adress and 'cure' these types of issues without overthrowing our government and starting over.

There have been many changes we've undergone - some weren't obtained safely (more so - they were obtained ot the detriment of many) but they were eventually obtained, certain rights secured for all, and our government is still intact - just different.

No Year III is necessary for us.
 
Yes a civil war...

Would this be considered a Charioteer during the civil war 2?

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Jetboogieman said:
Yes a civil war...

Would this be considered a Charioteer during the civil war 2?

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Nah, that looks like a modern Canadian armored personnel carrier with a CANSOF member doing recon. ;)

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Civil war between which groups?
 
VanceMack said:
Civil war between which groups?
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That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'd say we're less likely or apt to have a civil war, but more likely to see a coup or political uprising / failed revolution. Then again, looking historically our society is no where near where we were say in the 1960's or early 1970's. I think we'd need to see mass uprisings and mayhem in the streets in cities all of the U.S. before I could say anything would be close to happening. It would need to look like Greece x100.
 
Ockham said:
That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'd say we're less likely or apt to have a civil war, but more likely to see a coup or political uprising / failed revolution. Then again, looking historically our society is no where near where we were say in the 1960's or early 1970's. I think we'd need to see mass uprisings and mayhem in the streets in cities all of the U.S. before I could say anything would be close to happening. It would need to look like Greece x100.
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I suspect we could start seeing riots again, especially in the inner cities. I can see more people moving out of those major population centers and leaving the remaining citizens to fight over their 'kingdom' of ****. I can see the occasional Ruby Ridge type tragedy. But at the end of the day, I just believe MOST PEOPLE...all races...really just want things to go well...we just have a different vision of what that looks like or how we will get there. But not a big enough difference to come to blows...or flying bullets.
 
Families, economies, and cultures are too unevenly distributed throughout the country for there to be any centers of revolution. People in one state are too economically and emotionally dependent on what is happening everywhere else to feel comfortable drawing a boundary and spilling blood over it.

Plus the unlikelihood of being able to preempt modern technology. Any 'authentic' rebellion would probably be discovered and broken up long before it developed into violence.
 
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No. Because libs don't own and do not know how to use guns. (Or if we are going to war, it won't last long.)

And because neither side no longer needs warfare to achieve their political ends. We no longer go to war, we go to the ballot box, though we retain the vocabulary of war, with words like "campaign," "target," "enemy," bring a gun," "reload," and we retain the symbols, like maps and crosshairs.

And there's nothing wrong with any of it.
 
I think its possible though I wouldn't see it happening until things get way more worse.
 
Morality Games said:
Families, economies, and cultures are too unevenly distributed throughout the country for there to be any centers of revolution. People in one state are too economically and emotionally dependent on what is happening everywhere else to feel comfortable drawing a boundary and spilling blood over it.

Plus the unlikelihood of being able to preempt modern technology. Any 'authentic' rebellion would probably be discovered and broken up long before it developed into violence.
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I think open source warfare and systems disruption could work in America even though it was beaten in Iraq. The system could be overwhelmed.

It wouldn't be worth the cost or result, but it probably could be used to create a power vacuum.
 
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