View Poll Results: How do you think the Arizona shooter's courtcase should end?

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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    I voted "other".

    Oops no need for a trial someone shot the bastard. Damn.
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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    Agreed. So give the DA one day to present the evidence, and one day for a defense. Based on what evidence the DA has, don't you agree that this is a pretty cut/dried case?
    His gun, witness seeing him use the gun, caught and held at the scene, notes in his room about wanting to kill the person, etc.
    The primary point of the case is likely the insanity defense. I don't think the man is insane, but there should be a full trial to remove any reasonable doubt.

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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    Oops no need for a trial someone shot the bastard. Damn.
    Yeah lets commit murder and piss on the constitution for absolutely no good reason. Great idea!

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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    in the early 70's I had a physc prof tell me he did not believe in innocent by reason of insanity, he did believe in guilty but insane. The reason is even the most insane person makes decisions. They may look at the world differently and precieve actions differentyl, but that is not an excuse. Maybe it is time we reduce the complexity of psychiatric catagories.
    If society is unable to commit itself to them, then maybe, as trying to perform a movement that is above your abilities tends toward awkward results.

    In the abstract, a person who is crazy has beliefs that are riddled with discontinuities. For example, a person who kills a bunch of people because they genuinely believe their neighbor's dog told it would stop aliens from invading the Earth isn't capable of deliberative control of their behavior, due to the fact they can't deliberate reality.

    In contrast, a person who poisons their spouse because they want the thrill of a new romance, but without losing property during a divorce, is not crazy. Spiritually misguided, but they deliberated the realities.

    But actually winning or having a sentence reduced by te insanity defense is extremely difficult and very rare.
    Probably because society does not want legal insanity to exist, as opposed to morally conscious, evil people, but it can't bring itself to believe that it does not.
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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?
    It's not my place to make some sort of ruling, since I'm... not on the jury, so by that line of thinking the trial should end however it does end.

    What do I personally think, given the minute amount of evidence I have? If he's legitimately mentally troubled (medically), then he should spend life in a mental institution, if he's not deemed medically mentally ill, then in my personal opinion (given what I said above), he should get something like life with parole, not that he'd ever get it.

    Also, this is America damnit, shouldn't there be an option to imprison him for the rest of his life and horribly torture him for that length of time? I'm sure that'd get some votes. And what about life in solitary? Wait, same thing.

    I voted other, since I have several conditional views.
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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The primary point of the case is likely the insanity defense. I don't think the man is insane, but there should be a full trial to remove any reasonable doubt.
    Why don't you think he was insane? Have you read his ramblings, or the stories his classmates told? I just don't think it's possible to look at all of those things and NOT conclude that he was severely mentally disturbed.
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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why don't you think he was insane? Have you read his ramblings, or the stories his classmates told? I just don't think it's possible to look at all of those things and NOT conclude that he was severely mentally disturbed.
    Insanity has a very precise medical definition. I'll leave it up to a professional in that field, if I knew him personally I wouldn't be able to say yes or no, let alone with the small amount of filtered news media evidence we have.

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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    He should get the death penalty.

    I think the guy is crazy, but not the kind of crazy that doesn't know right from wrong. I could be wrong though I suppose. If he is proven to mentally incapable of telling right from wrong, I would support psychiatric treatment and rehabilitation.
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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The primary point of the case is likely the insanity defense. I don't think the man is insane, but there should be a full trial to remove any reasonable doubt.
    here is where we may differ. I don't believe insanity is an excuse. There should be no innocent by reason of insanity. Guilty but insane is more appropriate. Even if insane and found guilty, I would support the death penality.
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    Re: How do you think the AZ shooter's courtcase should end?

    The insanity defense, though, isn't really applicable in order to determine 'guilt' - when there are witnesses and undeniable proof.

    It is just a fact of this case that "he opened fire into a crowd, killed 6, wounded others . . ." No one debates this - it is fact.

    Thus - the 'degree of insanity' will determine how he is treated during incarceration - there is no way around that, he will be spending time behind bars. Now - bars of a traditional prison, death row bars, bars of a mental facility - all these things are what's on the line and up to the court to decide.

    I think they can prove he is aware of 'right and wrong' from the various letters and so on that they've found at his home - he had forethought, planning which plainly proves intent, and overall proved capable of making decisions and adhering to various rule (he did actually go through the process to apply for college and attend classes - he's aware of time, etc - true, he didn't stay in - but he showed up). So I think the only applicable defense is whether he was in control of his actions or whether he was acting on impulse.

    But still- even if they determine that he wasn't in control - it's plain to see that he's a risk. They will most certainly not deem him 'innocent'

    If he is declared insane he will be institutionalized - properly medicated (possibly never cured) but an institution or quadrant concerning this nature would have the means to handle him daily - unlike a traditional prison. . . I firmly believe that's where he should go - he will have less freedom, less rights, less of a chance of denying medication and so on.
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