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Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

Were the Nazis...

  • Predominantly Right Wing

    Votes: 66 51.2%

  • Predominantly Left Wing

    Votes: 27 20.9%

  • Largely in the center

    Votes: 10 7.8%

  • Don't know/unsure/no opinion/none of the above

    Votes: 26 20.2%
  • Total voters
    129
Harry Guerrilla said:
Ok and so what?
That doesn't provide any plausible facts, that libertarians are trying to use it, to disassociate themselves from the right.

You position is not all that dissimilar from the Truthers or Birthers, you've just put a different spin to it, that really defines your partisanship.
Anything you disagree with is, right wing.
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If only for the sake of consistency you have a story and you should stick to it. My position is based in fact - Nolan invented his chart and his was a libertarian. Libertarians use it constantly in conjunction with their smalles political quiz which amazingly often reveals that its takers share positions with them. Imagine that.

Now what that has to do with lies saying that Obama was born in Kenya is something you should explain. Because that has no basis in fact. The chart of Nolan the libertarian is factual.
 
Thunder said:
wasn't it the Democrats who supported the Civil Rights Act & Voting Rights Act, forcing racist Southern-Democrats into the loving arms of the Republican Party?
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Oh now you're trying to split the liberal party by saying that only some of them were racist, but on the other hand you're more than fine with broad brushing the entirity of conservatism by saying they are racist, xenophobic, et all.

Cherry picking at it's finest.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The Nazis started and ended, before the Democrat Party abandoned it's racist beliefs. ;)
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So what? What is the position of the Democratic Party today and has been for the last half century now?
 
Thunder said:
oh, so hating blacks, Jews, gays, and immigrants...is a Progressive left-wing thing???

:lamo
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Did I say that?

No, I simply stated that you were incorrect to say it was a conservative and/or right-wing thing.

It's not an either/or question - assholes are assholes, whatever their political ideology.

If you heard a democrat/liberal friend (or acquaintance) of yours make an obviously racist statement – would you dismiss it because they weren’t republican/conservative?
 
haymarket said:
If only for the sake of consistency you have a story and you should stick to it. My position is based in fact - Nolan invented his chart and his was a libertarian. Libertarians use it constantly in conjunction with their smalles political quiz which amazingly often reveals that its takers share positions with them. Imagine that.

Now what that has to do with lies saying that Obama was born in Kenya is something you should explain. Because that has no basis in fact. The chart of Nolan the libertarian is factual.
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You made the implication that the Nolan chart, was invented to disassociate libertarians with the right wing, which you have yet to prove.
Keep dancing, it's quite amusing.

Prove that he created the chart to disassociate libertarians with right wing, prove it.
 
The Mark said:
Did I say that?

No, I simply stated that you were incorrect to say it was a conservative and/or right-wing thing.

It's not an either/or question - assholes are assholes, whatever their political ideology.

If you heard a democrat/liberal friend (or acquaintance) of yours make an obviously racist statement – would you dismiss it because they weren’t republican/conservative?
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you are wrong. bigotry & xenophobia are part of right wing ideology, not left wing.
 
haymarket said:
So what? What is the position of the Democratic Party today and has been for the last half century now?
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Depends on the person in the party, because not all democrats associate with the same policies.
Or as charts, like the Nolan chart has shown, some people ascribe to different levels and avenues of liberalism.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You made the implication that the Nolan chart, was invented to disassociate libertarians with the right wing, which you have yet to prove.
Keep dancing, it's quite amusing.

Prove that he created the chart to disassociate libertarians with right wing, prove it.
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The whole point of the chart is to disassociate libertarians with any specific point on the continuum.... the right being the point that is most often associated with so many of their position. Far more libertarians fall on the right wing side of far more issues than they do on the left side. Look at the libertarian pin-up boys Ron and Rand Paul. Its not the liberal Democratic Party they run with is it? Paul people proudly boast how the right wing tea party emerged from their loins. You get rid of the isolationist foreign policy issues and the fact that some of them like to smoke dope, they pretty much would be very comfortable in bed with Grover Norquist and the board from ALEC.

Its fun watching libertarians trying to prove that they are special... they are different... they are so damn unique. They even needed a whole new measurement device for them after ages of the standard continuum because they are so damn special. They are so special that one of their own had to go and find a way to free them from the specter of right wing conservatism.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Depends on the person in the party, because not all democrats associate with the same policies.
Or as charts, like the Nolan chart has shown, some people ascribe to different levels and avenues of liberalism.
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Liberalism= Progressivism. Such views such as being pro-gay rights, pro-abortion rights, pro-environmental regulations, pro-drug legalization, pro-hate crime legislation, are considered to be Liberal/Progressive.

However, Conservatives views include anti-gay rights, anti-abortion rights, anti-environmental rules, anti- hate crime laws, anti-drug legalization, etc. This is the side that the Nazis would be on. (except for the environmental rules, but they didn't give a **** about trees and plants, they just saw them as part of their "aryan" heritage and crap).
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Depends on the person in the party, because not all democrats associate with the same policies.
Or as charts, like the Nolan chart has shown, some people ascribe to different levels and avenues of liberalism.
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You are more than welcome to look up the official party platform of the last 12 Democratic Party Conventions and see if you can find any evidence of the party NOT taking the liberal position on civil rights issues.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Incorrect.
Otherwise some liberals wouldn't believe in the buy America nonsense and trade protectionism.
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"Buy American" views are standard populist ideology, shared by many Democrats AND Republicans. Don't forget that Clinton signed onto NAFTA and Obama has expanded free-trade.
 
haymarket said:
The whole point of the chart is to disassociate libertarians with any specific point on the continuum.... the right being the point that is most often associated with so many of their position. Far more libertarians fall on the right wing side of far more issues than they do on the left side. Look at the libertarian pin-up boys Ron and Rand Paul. Its not the liberal Democratic Party they run with is it? Paul people proudly boast how the right wing tea party emerged from their loins. You get rid of the isolationist foreign policy issues and the fact that some of them like to smoke dope, they pretty much would be very comfortable in bed with Grover Norquist and the board from ALEC.

Its fun watching libertarians trying to prove that they are special... they are different... they are so damn unique. They even needed a whole new measurement device for them after ages of the standard continuum because they are so damn special. They are so special that one of their own had to go and find a way to free them from the specter of right wing conservatism.
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Twisting in the wind. :lol:

You can't support your claim, so you revert to insults and load language.
Nice. :thumbs:
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Incorrect.
Otherwise some liberals wouldn't believe in the buy America nonsense and trade protectionism.
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Perhaps they simply believe in the powers the sainted Founding Fathers gave to our government when they wrote the Constitution?
 
Thunder said:
the Nazis were homophobic, xenophobic, anti-Semitic, & racist.

these are all Conservatives traits.
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I see. First off, how do explain half the SA and SS being gay? Second, how can you possibly conclude that racism is strictly a, "Conservative", trait. Margaret Sanger was a racist. She was a Libbo. I find it incredibly ironic that Planned Parenthood gave the Margaret Sanger Award to Martin Luther King.
 
Thunder said:
"Buy American" views are standard populist ideology, shared by many Democrats AND Republicans. Don't forget that Clinton signed onto NAFTA and Obama has expanded free-trade.
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Clinton and Obama are not the sole definition on what is and is not liberal.
The fact that some liberals support trade protectionism and other xenophobic trade policies, is enough for me to disprove your claim.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Twisting in the wind. :lol:

You can't support your claim, so you revert to insults and load language.
Nice. :thumbs:
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I supported my claim with several facts all connected and proving my point. The fact that you can stand there doing an imitation of an ostrich with its head in the sand one minute and placing your fingers in your ears loudly chanting LA LA LA the next, is a tribute to the amount of kool-aid you must have consumed. Lew Rockwell is probably writing you a commendation as we speak.
 
Thunder said:
you are wrong. bigotry & xenophobia are part of right wing ideology, not left wing.
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You are incorrect.

Bigotry and xenophobia are an ideology unto themselves, separate and excluded from the political ideologies you mention.


I know this because I have observed that:

There exist conservative/right-wing persons who are not bigoted or xenophobic.

There exist liberal/left-wing persons who are not bigoted or xenophobic.


If those two statements are accurate, it then follows that bigotry and xenophobia are NOT inherent parts of either mentioned political ideology.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Clinton and Obama are not the sole definition on what is and is not liberal.
The fact that some liberals support trade protectionism and other xenophobic trade policies, is enough for me to disprove your claim.
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trying to protect American manufacturing jobs by buying American products, is not xenophobia.

not buying Chinese products to protest poor Chinese quality in their manufacturing process, and authoritatian Chinese rule, is not xenophobia.
 
Thunder said:
Left-wingers don't talk about the "master race", and persecute other races, religions, ethnicities that they consider to be "inferior".
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The Lefties talk about the politically correct races and persecute these politically incorrect religions and ethnic groups they consider to be, "inferior". We often hear Libbos gone on-n-on about, "white trash, rednecks, hicks, trailer trash", etc.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Clinton and Obama are not the sole definition on what is and is not liberal.
The fact that some liberals support trade protectionism and other xenophobic trade policies, is enough for me to disprove your claim.
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i believe in FAIR trade.
 
The Mark said:
You are incorrect.

Bigotry and xenophobia are an ideology unto themselves, separate and excluded from the political ideologies you mention.....
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show me a Liberal party in the Western-world that includes xenophobic, homophobic, or anti-Semitic policies in their party platform, and I shall agree with you.
 
haymarket said:
Perhaps they simply believe in the powers the sainted Founding Fathers gave to our government when they wrote the Constitution?
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This is why you fail.

The difference between American Conservatives and Libertarians is where they draw their ideology from.
Some American Conservatives ascribe to some American tradition, which happens to be somewhat centered individual freedom.
Conservatives draw their beliefs from the FF's primarily.

Where as American Libertarians ascribe to individual freedom, regardless of who is governing or what the American tradition was.

Until you understand that you will continue to failingly associate libertarians, as republican light.
 
Thunder said:
show me a Liberal party in the Western-world that includes xenophobic, homophobic, or anti-Semitic policies in their party platform, and I shall agree with you.
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You have entirely missed my point two times now.


I'm saying that bigotry & xenophobia are not a part of EITHER side of the political ideology spectrum, but an ideology unto themselves.
 
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