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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay, I officially no longer care whether the Nazi's were left-wing, right-wing, or in the middle of a four-dimensional Klein bottle. :
    Here's a question then...

    Is it possible for fascism to be a good thing?

    Say, without some or all of the various negative parts Nazism involved?

    No state-sponsored/run racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc…
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So what's the best/least dangerous?
    Culturally centrist, economically centrist, socially centrist.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Here's a question then...

    Is it possible for fascism to be a good thing?

    Say, without some or all of the various negative parts Nazism involved?

    No state-sponsored/run racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc…
    Depending on what definitions one uses.... most fascist states have been expansionist aggressors.

    An authoritarian state could be a good thing in some cases, if it were well-run and well-ordered, and lacked the racist/bigoted components of Nazi'ism... but it isn't my cup of tea. I'm too individualistic.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Depending on what definitions one uses.... most fascist states have been expansionist aggressors.

    An authoritarian state could be a good thing in some cases, if it were well-run and well-ordered, and lacked the racist/bigoted components of Nazi'ism... but it isn't my cup of tea. I'm too individualistic.
    There is that...
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Massive government, little freedom......left-wing.


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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Massive government, little freedom......left-wing.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Massive government, little freedom......left-wing.
    If freedom is defined as the power to do what you want, then freedom is hard to come by in any case.

    So what's the best/least dangerous?
    I might have been simplifying it a bit, but being a centrist is generally the "safest" route; it is doing what seems natural and practical as problems arise, without much idealization of your civilization.

    Not always the highest performance, but the most consistently useful over long periods of time.

    By the way, the American Revolution was culturally conservative (by and large), economically inconsistent, and socially progressive.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Were the Nazi Party of Germany a right wing or left wing establishment?

    I figure this is a better place to discuss than on someone else's thread like we were

    Opinions?
    The Nolan Chart may be able to help you out:


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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Comments from the other thread:

    Remember. Nazism is closer to fascism than anything else. The father of modern fascism was Mussolini, who, in his description of fascism, indicated that it was completely opposed to socialism and any left wing ideology. Fascism really can't be categorized on a right-left spectrum, though the kind of fascism that Nazism was can be more easily described as "far right" than anything else. Those who try to paint it as "leftwing" don't know what they are talking about, and are only spewing partisan distortions.

    Here is the link to Mussolini's description:

    Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

    And a few key quotes:

    Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.
    The Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism, should not, however, be interpreted as implying a desire to drive the world backwards to positions occupied prior to 1789, a year commonly referred to as that which opened the demo-liberal century.
    Notice how it is anti-liberal and anti-socialist.

    Nazism, a specific form of fascism, is anti-liberal, anti-communist (remember how much Hitler hated the communists), anti-socialist, and anti-capitalist. Also remember... during the Night of the Long Knives, Hilter killed George Strasser and all members of the left-wing part of the Nazi Party. From this point on, Nazism was solely right wing.
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Also remember... socialism is about equality. Nazism was anything but that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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