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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Were the Nazi Party of Germany a right wing or left wing establishment?

    I figure this is a better place to discuss than on someone else's thread like we were

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    Fascism is right wing, extreme totalitarianism, nationalism. I think communism is left wing. But neither is comparable to the U.S., although there are similarities among ALL political systems to some degree. Communism may have a totalitarian leader, like Stalin (also like Hitler), but there the similarity ends. Fascism is based on highly structured class society, the class being race or whatever. It crushes all opposition, resorting to whatever means are necessary. In some respects, that is similar to our country's right wing (voter ID laws, redistricting to win elections they can't win on substance...disenfranchising voters who may oppose them). Some left wingers in our country believe in some aspects of communism (from each according to his ability, to each according to his need). But our country has a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and is neither a fascist nor a communistic country. People in our country are very much into individual rights, regardless of the side they're on, and that's something that neither fascism nor communism believed in.

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    fas·cism noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
    : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

    : very harsh control or authority

    Full Definition of FASCISM

    1
    often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2
    : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
    — fas·cist noun or adjective often capitalized
    — fas·cis·tic adjective often capitalized
    — fas·cis·ti·cal·ly adverb often capitalized
    See fascism defined for English-language learners »
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    Examples of FASCISM

    the rise of Fascism in Europe before World War II
    From the first hours of Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union, the propagandists on both sides of the conflict portrayed the struggle in stark, Manichaean language. The totalitarian nature of both regimes made this inevitable. On one side stood Hitler, fascism, the myth of German supremacy; on the other side stood Stalin, communism, and the international proletarian revolution. —Anne Applebaum, New York Review of Books, 25 Oct. 2007

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really,...... the nazis were fascist...i know the name throws people.

    however whether you have fascist or socialist.......you still have BIG government
    different strains of a similar virus



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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    different strains of a similar virus
    The virus of "control = good"
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    different strains of a similar virus
    Sure. Communism, Fascism, and Nazism were all totalitarian and each had their supporters.

    The lesson we should have learned from all of this is a distrust of government and government power, no matter the 'wing'. But there appears to be something in the human DNA of many human beings which concludes that a strong government is essential to their personal well-being and security, despite all the clear evidence to the contrary.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    I always got a kick out of reading from this website. -> HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

    Just one excerpt and then go to the link and enjoy.

    Party programmes

    >" Let us start by considering political party programmes or "platforms" of Hitler's day:

    Take this description of a political programme:

    A declaration of war against the order of things which exist, against the state of things which exist, in a word, against the structure of the world which presently exists".

    And this description of a political movement as having a 'revolutionary creative will' which had 'no fixed aim, no permanency, only eternal change'

    And this policy manifesto:
    9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

    10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

    Therefore we demand:

    11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

    12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

    13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

    14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

    15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

    16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

    17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.


    So who put that manifesto forward and who was responsible for the summary quotes given before that? Was it the US Democrats, the British Labour Party, the Canadian Liberals, some European Social Democratic party? No. The manifesto is an extract from the (February 25th., 1920) 25 point plan of the National Socialist German Workers Party and was written by the leader of that party: Adolf Hitler. And the preceding summary quotes were also from him (See Vol. 2 Chap. 5 of Mein Kampf and O'Sullivan, 1983. p. 138).

    The rest of Hitler's manifesto was aimed mainly at the Jews but in Hitler's day it was very common for Leftists to be antisemitic. And the increasingly pervasive anti-Israel sentiment among the modern-day Left -- including at times the Canadian government -- shows that modern-day Leftists are not even very different from Hitler in that regard. Modern-day anti-Israel protesters still seem to think that dead Jews are a good thing. "<

    HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I always got a kick out of reading from this website. -> HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

    Just one excerpt and then go to the link and enjoy.

    Party programmes

    >" Let us start by considering political party programmes or "platforms" of Hitler's day:

    Take this description of a political programme:

    A declaration of war against the order of things which exist, against the state of things which exist, in a word, against the structure of the world which presently exists".

    And this description of a political movement as having a 'revolutionary creative will' which had 'no fixed aim, no permanency, only eternal change'

    And this policy manifesto:
    9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

    10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

    Therefore we demand:

    11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

    12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

    13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

    14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

    15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

    16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

    17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.


    So who put that manifesto forward and who was responsible for the summary quotes given before that? Was it the US Democrats, the British Labour Party, the Canadian Liberals, some European Social Democratic party? No. The manifesto is an extract from the (February 25th., 1920) 25 point plan of the National Socialist German Workers Party and was written by the leader of that party: Adolf Hitler. And the preceding summary quotes were also from him (See Vol. 2 Chap. 5 of Mein Kampf and O'Sullivan, 1983. p. 138).

    The rest of Hitler's manifesto was aimed mainly at the Jews but in Hitler's day it was very common for Leftists to be antisemitic. And the increasingly pervasive anti-Israel sentiment among the modern-day Left -- including at times the Canadian government -- shows that modern-day Leftists are not even very different from Hitler in that regard. Modern-day anti-Israel protesters still seem to think that dead Jews are a good thing. "<

    HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
    Well, right off, I can see that #11 is NOT socialist. Socialism would have ALL income, whether earned or unearned, arising from work or from no work, be turned over to the state so it can distribute it as it sees fit.

    Or is that communism. Meh.

    What #11 actually is: "get rid of all the welfare".
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well, right off, I can see that #11 is NOT socialist. Socialism would have ALL income, whether earned or unearned, arising from work or from no work, be turned over to the state so it can distribute it as it sees fit.

    Or is that communism. Meh.

    What #11 actually is: "get rid of all the welfare".
    I'm just ther messenger, just posted a link without any real comment if I agree or not what the message is.

    I suppose it's the argument that some use that Hitler was a socialist.

    I figured it's better to hear it from those who believe that Hitler was a socialist than from other leftist who want to distance themselves from Hitler.

    What I would like to do is post the interview of Hitler of the only interview ever conducted by an English speaking journalist which was conducted just before WW ll. Along with the interview that was conducted around the same time with Joseph Stalin. It's an eye opener.

    I can only find it in libraries, it's not on the internet yet.

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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I'm just ther messenger, just posted a link without any real comment if I agree or not what the message is.

    I suppose it's the argument that some use that Hitler was a socialist.

    I figured it's better to hear it from those who believe that Hitler was a socialist than from other leftist who want to distance themselves from Hitler.

    What I would like to do is post the interview of Hitler of the only interview ever conducted by an English speaking journalist which was conducted just before WW ll. Along with the interview that was conducted around the same time with Joseph Stalin. It's an eye opener.

    I can only find it in libraries, it's not on the internet yet.
    You could type it in and reference the book?
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    Re: Were the Nazis Right or Left Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You could type it in and reference the book?
    It wasn't a book but a periodical that was published during the 1930's.

    I don't even remember exactly what periodical it was. It's been over fifteen years since I read both interviews.

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